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Re: Bey gets her 28th Grammy (97,584) (97,587) by Edward from USA She wasn't on the list because she sung the National Anthem which is not the same as the half-time main performance. As much as I love her rendition of the National Anthem, her inability to lipsync for her life left her exposed. Everybody thought it was live until... Well, Christina did worse, she screamed like a dying goat and forgot the lyrics, lol. (Monday 15 March 2021; 20:23)

Re: Bey gets her 28th Grammy (97,584) (97,586) by TJ from Norway I think that Beyonce could get a Grammy even if she didn't release an album. (Monday 15 March 2021; 19:13)

Re: Bey gets her 28th Grammy (97,582) (97,585) by Nicole from US Who knows how many trophies Mariah must have had if the Scammy's jumped on the "trend of the moment" or the "woke moment" a long time ago. smh (Monday 15 March 2021; 17:16)

Re: Bey gets her 28th Grammy (97,582) (97,584) by Joachim Agerup Lřkkevik from Norway The mainstream music media hates Mariah, let's be real. Beyoncé with 30 Grammy awards, Mariah with 5? I do think Whitney Houston has about seven, Celine Dion 5 and Madonna 6. And Beyoncé 30. The Grammy's are as delusionized as the Rolling Stone magazine. I just watched a YouTube clip made by the Rolling Stone where they placed the 10 greatest Super Bowl performances, Mariah wasn't even on the list. Mariah has never earned the respect from critics and will never do. Mariah is a people person, and always will be. (Monday 15 March 2021; 15:56)

Re: Bey gets her 28th Grammy (97,582) (97,583) by MusicfanJ from Germany That's hilariious and shows once more that the music industry is dead at the moment. I only remember the song with Jay-Z (her first solo single, which was okay but nothing special), then some radio/chart hits but I wouldn't listen to one song on CD or streaming. I must admit that I really liked Beyoncé while she was with Destiny's Child. That was great RNB. But Beyoncé as a singer is totally overrated for my taste. A beautiful woman but her music doesen't reach me at all (emotionally). (Monday 15 March 2021; 11:26)

Bey gets her 28th Grammy (97,582) by John from USA I. Just. Can't. Does she even have music that will stand the test of time? (Monday 15 March 2021; 04:53)

Re: Talking of the 90's (97,580) (97,581) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Those are threads that fall out of interest and a constant narrative is lost. That is especially so when every time someone replies to a post there's a hundred lines of thread before each response. Coupled with symbols and characters added in for no reason. I like this board because the militant Dutchman keeps it clean and formal. Even if he still needs to get a little more... fun out of life! There was an ellipsis in that sentence and it ended with an exclamation mark. Let's see what happens. Hold onto your seats. Things are about to get wild. (Monday 15 March 2021; 00:38)

Re: Talking of the 90's (97,578) (97,580) by John from USA I'm fine with the current look, for the familiarity of it. If you do decide to change it though: a messageboard with subfolders so it's easy to follow topics would be great to have. (Sunday 14 March 2021; 23:32)

Re: Rumours (97,570) (97,579) by Terna from Nigeria Except Jermaine had nothing to do with that song's production. (Sunday 14 March 2021; 21:13)

Re: Talking of the 90's (97,573) (97,578) by Edward from USA Eric used to change things around every once in a while, but I guess he must be busy or something. It is true Eric, we need a new look. (Sunday 14 March 2021; 16:08)

In the studio (97,577) by Bobby A from United States MC must be in the studio this week recording MC 16 as evident in her Biggie picture tweet on March 9. I just hope she takes her time and works with producers and songwriters who can give her a new sound. (Saturday 13 March 2021; 05:30)

Re: Talking of the 90's (97,573) (97,576) by T from USA I like the nostalgia of MCA. I wouldn't change a thing. (Friday 12 March 2021; 23:50)

Re: Rumours (97,574) (97,575) by Stacey from USA Seriously. MC could do a James Bond song justice for sure. (Friday 12 March 2021; 22:40)

Re: Rumours (97,570) (97,574) by MusicfanJ from Germany Haha, yes I can imagine this too. Lol. "My heart will go on" is and always will be Celine's song and that's good. In 97 Mariah wouldn"t like a song for "Titanic", but I always thought she would have been perfect for a James Bond song. (Friday 12 March 2021; 18:41)

Talking of the 90's (97,573) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Isn't it about time you changed the design of this website, Eric? Feel like I'm in a time warp every time I log on and see the logo. #justsayin (Friday 12 March 2021; 15:43)

Re: Rumours (97,569) (97,572) by Andrew from the United Kingdom My Heart Will Go On was recorded in May or June 1997, I believe, at a time when Mariah was in the middle of recording Butterfly, so she *may* have had the vocal chops to do it. If she had lain down Whenever You Call vocals it would have been epic (no pun intended). I love Celine and her performance of the song but I feel it's only the last chorus anyone cares about. The first two verses and choruses are incredibly boring save for the tin whistle (if anyone hasn't explored Irish music and dancing you ought to - it's as magical as the island, itself). I think if Mariah had recorded the song the first two choruses and verses would certainly have had more depth, variation and impact, possibly being less saccharine - with layered vocals and transitions from head to chest by the second verse, at least. However, Celine is to My Heart Will Go On as Whitney is to I Will Always Love You and Mariah is to All I Want For Christmas Is You and Hero. Certainly, Celine singing Whitney's signature song is an abomination to the ears. I wouldn't want, now, to hear Mariah's version of My Heart even if she were to have recorded it. From things I read in the past I believe James Horner was originally going with Sissel (whose voice is the Hymn to the Sea harmony - something Mariah could also have done to magical effect in the soundtrack) but felt like he owed the legend that was and is Rene Angelil for their loyalty on previous film soundtracks. I am, also, not sure, Mariah would wanted to have recorded it. And given the vocal difficulties Mariah fell into after the recording of Butterfly it is probably best she didn't. In any case, My Heart Will Go On is a brilliant composition. I loved it so much that it is one of the few pop songs I taught myself to play properly on the piano outside of regular piano tuition. Last year I played it on a piano in a busy train station in London and people sang along. It was great. Maybe next time I'll play Hero. It's slightly less embarrassing to admit you know. But only ever so slightly. (Friday 12 March 2021; 15:42)

Re: Rumours (97,569) (97,571) by Dennis from Miami, FL James Cameron wanted only Celine. He have said that numerous times. (Friday 12 March 2021; 14:59)

Re: Rumours (97,569) (97,570) by Bill from the UK I can just imagine the opening flutes of the theme beginning and then an intrusive "y'all know who this is" from JD. (Friday 12 March 2021; 14:09)

Rumours (97,569) by Terna from Nigeria Could there be any truth to this? I think there's an element of truth to it seeing as these are the same co-writers listed on "Where are You Christmas", another song we know she recorded but could not release. (Friday 12 March 2021; 11:46)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,566) (97,568) by Stacey from USA No Tommy? No AIWFCIY. (Friday 12 March 2021; 05:01)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,554) (97,567) by Mirage_Nunez from America Tommy just should've never crossed the line of business and started a romantic relationship with Mariah; and played the same role Clive Davis did with Whitney, just being a mentor, guide and protector to a young MC. That would've been more mentally healthy for her in the long run. He gave Mariah the perfect launching pad for her career no doubt, but I believe his overly controlling antics could be the reason why MC went so hard in the opposing direction after their split. Maybe had he not been so ridiculously controlling, Mariah would've displayed more of a balance in certain areas once they split. It's like the kid that grew up in a very strict household once they go to college, break free, and living it up big time. Overall I think it was a little bit of both: he definitely helped guide her and also stifled some of her organic creativity/musical identity. Remember some of the gems we have is because she had to scheme to have it recorded and released. (Thursday 11 March 2021; 12:11)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,565) (97,566) by Andrew from the United Kingdom You are correct. The most famous episode of Star Trek in the sixties was called City On The Edge Of Forever. In it, someone was transported back in time and then innocently saves a woman's life; the woman, a pacifist, was then instrumental in preventing the United States from joining WWII resulting in Hitler conquering Europe and the space race never having happened. Humankind does not reach for the stars, the world is a very different place. All systems, even the most complex of systems can be drastically altered when an input of any size is altered (often unhelpfully referred to, but not without irony here, as a "Butterfly Effect"). Recently it has become very fashionable for the Hard Left to scream into the air about perceived historical injustice and the attitudes and ideologies of the protagonists of the times. No person of good conscious cannot help but regret that horrible things have occurred in human history: every race seemingly enslaved by another, whole races of peoples targeted for elimination, people tortured, slain, denied education, sexually assaulted and so on. History is full of hideousness, right? It can sometime be overwhelming to appreciate what had to have happened in order for us to be be here. For if any of it changed, we would not be here. I mention this because it is oft the proclivity of people to cry foul at people like Tommy Mottola with such rancour and hatred that he is lambasted for his behaviour at the mere utterance of his name. But Mariah would assuredly have had a very different career and level of success without him. It may have been much better. It could equally have been much worse. But what is true to say that any alteration to the past would result in people who are here not being here and possibly a more disastrous world. So better to not look back in anger but in wonder. And learn to make today and tomorrow better, spinning the narrative on its head and rather being thankful that people who went before us made the mistakes so that we can learn from them and perhaps not repeat them. (Thursday 11 March 2021; 11:23)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,554) (97,565) by Lainsky from Philippines Not siding with Tommy or whatsoever but we have to see him as broken as Mariah too. He was divorced, so, relationship was not his cup of tea. Music industry, on the other hand, was his expertise at that time and he knew exactly what to do with someone extraordinary like Mariah Carey. We cannot deny the fact that Tommy, partly and a huge part of it if I may add, made her who she is today. Our experiences in life, both good and bad, matter. Every experiences matter. Not that I am glad but it was good that Tommy had to happen in Mariah's life and music career. (Thursday 11 March 2021; 03:57)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,562) (97,564) by Andrew from the United Kingdom It always make me laugh when people dismiss Mottola and claim that he held Mariah back or stifled her and further that she was never really able to make the music she wanted to because of him. Her demo tape isn't full of hip hop heavy songs. It's saccharine and pop. And even after a slightly more Urban sounding record with Butterfly, the free bird Mariah recorded Rainbow. And Glitter. And Charmbracelet. In fact hardly any of Mariah's so called newfound musical freedom resulted in anything much different to what came before. It just had less appealing melodies, less slick production, and a weaker voice. Mariah Carey of the 90's was amazing. It may be rude for Katy Perry to say "good for a throwback" or awkward when Shawn Mendes days "listening to old school Mariah", but truth be told: 90's Mariah unparalleled gold dust. Everything after has been of varying quality and at many points often boring, repetitive and uninspiring. (Wednesday 10 March 2021; 03:04)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,562) (97,563) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Tommy is absolutely a huge reason why Mariah is as big as she is today. I think Mariah has every now and then admitted it too. Not only his experience but also he had huge hold during his reign at Sony and he ensured Mariah was top front and centre. I know Mariah hated being covered and singing cheesy songs and also she was kept away from being a "celebrity", but these did put the focus on just her voice and singing. That being said, I want to also bring forward that we shouldn't forget that Daydream onwards had Mariah not taken the steering wheel in terms of what kind of music she made and her change in image, she wouldn't be relevant today. She would have been left in the early 90s regardless of her immense talent. Now she's known as a revolutionary, setting trends and credit for that goes to her. So yes while Tommy played a huge role in the starting years, post 1995 Mariah is the reason she's still considered such a force in the music industry. If she was still making the music Tommy made her write, she would not have come this far. This is also true now when fans complain that she doesn't experiment more with collaborators or music styles and is stuck in her mid 2000s formula. But if someone can mix it up, it's Mariah. (Wednesday 10 March 2021; 01:14)

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