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Re: Wow (96,262) (96,292) by Mutton Dressed as Lamb from UK Even she can't walk a day in her shoes, so that backs up your argument that being a multi-millionaire is really hard. (Friday 16 October 2020; 17:37)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,286) (96,291) by 123 from USA Hey RibbonB. This is the website I use to watch both shows. (Friday 16 October 2020; 17:05)

Re: Migrate (96,289) (96,290) by Edward from USA I now know why Migrate wasn't ever a single. (Friday 16 October 2020; 16:17)

Re: Migrate (96,280) (96,289) by Bill from the UK I trust your friend also said it should have been a single. (Friday 16 October 2020; 14:53)

Re: So what is next (96,285) (96,288) by Geri551 from UK I think success of albums is increasingly viewed not by copies sold or even streams but the ticket sales the accompanying tour sells or what commercial endorsements a performer can attract off the back of a record. It's a whole new world from what it was 10 years ago, let alone 25 years ago. In the early 90s, an album by a legacy artist could peak in the bottom rang of the Top 200 and still go Gold. Now you have albums peaking at number 1 which sell 100-300k copies total. (Friday 16 October 2020; 12:20)

Re: So what is next (96,281) (96,287) by Geri551 from UK I was thinking recently about songs I wish Mariah had recorded in the 1990s and "Soon As I Get Home" was one of the songs I wish was on "Butterfly" or even "Daydream". I don't like the idea of Mariah doing a Babyface covers album, too specific but maybe something like a Great American Songbook type record would be a good idea and would reconnect her with older fans - I could imagine Mariah singing "The Man That Got Away" or "Que Sera, Sera". I think she would need to go back to her 90s style of singing fluidly though, the R&B whisper build up just wouldn't work on standards such as those. She doesn't need to do fancy belts or anything, look at Diana Ross who has sung much of this material wonderfully. She could do a tour of theatres once Covid is over, TV special etc. It would be a big deal purely because it would be so unexpected from Mariah. I hope there is a sequel to The Rarities and I am not too bothered that it wasn't a big hit, these types of records never are. There must be additional material which remains. I am intrigued by Mariah's repeated references to "the vault" and herself being surprised by what's in there. I have visions of some dungeon in a caste that she only visits once a decade for a few minutes. Someone needs to get in there and have a good clean out. I personally am hoping that the Mariah version of the Chick rock album is released. I hope that isn't just about forgotten about, I think a song like "Prom Queen" could actually be as powerful and important a song for Mariah as "Hero" and needs to be promoted. A duets album would be a good idea but I think Mariah would need to be imaginative in selecting duet partners, an album of her and a lot of rappers and R&B singers will basically just be a repeat of her recent albums. Imagine her doing a duet with Reba McEntire or someone from the rock genre, it would blow people's minds. I would like Mariah to attempt an album with a completely brand new team i.e. no Jermaine. I have often wondered how different Mariah's career would have been if she had been open to recording songs by other writers - I was listening to "Unbreak My Heart" and it just screamed Mariah to me and I thought what a shame that wasn't on "Daydream" as it would have fitted in perfectly. I would love to know whether Mariah has been offered songs by writers over the years and if so, which. Mariah is 30 years into one of the most successful recording careers in musical history - I think people have to be realistic now about what "success" at this stage in her career looks like. The chances of her having a non-Christmas related number 1 single or album, or even top 10 are very, very small. The entertainment industry is not set up to support a 50 year old plus woman having regular success like that. In the years to come, she may have a hit or even two but its unlikely but I hope she uses the years ahead to expand her horizons musically. (Friday 16 October 2020; 12:01)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,278) (96,286) by RibbonB from USA No I haven't seen it. Maybe I will check it out. (Friday 16 October 2020; 11:17)

Re: So what is next (96,281) (96,285) by Bill from the UK I do wonder when physical sales will be completely discarded and only streaming will count. They are so small for almost everybody. It makes sense; why on earth pay for something when it's free? The Rarities would only really interest fans though I think. Caution may have sold poorly, but it charted highly in the US. You can't judge a 2020 album released at the peak of streaming against, say, Music Box where buying a physical copy was the only way to hear all the songs. Don't be too disappointed Bobby A. (Friday 16 October 2020; 11:16)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,279) (96,284) by RibbonB from USA This is the first season. (Friday 16 October 2020; 11:16)

Re: MC30 (96,282) (96,283) by Bill from the UK I know right? Got up early to nothing. Bah humbug. Although, MC did send a tweet out with the Chick album on her phone screen, indicating it has been digitised, do maybe that will come soon. She did say she was determined to find it. It's like £300 on Discogs now (previously it went for about £3). (Friday 16 October 2020; 10:28)

MC30 (96,282) by enwar00 from usa No new MC30 releases this week? Boo. (Friday 16 October 2020; 07:08)

So what is next (96,281) by Bobby A from United States TR sold so poorly that now I understand why the vinyl version was only made available on MC's website. So, after Christmas what is next for MC? I am afraid for her to work on a new album because it will probably sell less than Caution. I would love for to her to team up with Babyface and sing some of his biggest songs he has written for himself and others. Songs by Babyface like Just My Luck, Soon As I Get Home, Breathe Again, Exhale (Shoop Shoop), There You Go, Can I Stay With You, Always In My Heart, and Why Should I Care. They should record about 5 new collaborations where MC is the sole producer. We all know MC is a great producer. (Friday 16 October 2020; 05:10)

Migrate (96,280) by Jono from USA Off topic but I heard Migrate for the first time in a club at a socially distant Mariah Night event. It sounded amazing all these years later. It's been twelve years and I got to hear one of her best bangers on a loud speaker. My friend who came with who was a non fan said she absolutely loved the song. (Friday 16 October 2020; 04:50)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,272) (96,279) by Edward from USA I'm definitely hooked. You should've brought it up two or three seasons in, so I could binge like I did with "Game of Thrones" and "Trueblood" both of which I found out 3-seasons in. (Friday 16 October 2020; 02:10)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,272) (96,278) by 123 from USA I love this show. It's kind like a period piece mixed with Sci fi with black leads. I've been busy with work so I've only gotten to episode 4. I will have to binge watch this weekend. Have any of you seen "Raised by wolves"? It's my current addiction. I watch both shows on a website online for free if anyone wants the link. (Friday 16 October 2020; 02:02)

Re: End of the affair (96,264) (96,277) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I wrote a reply and it contained this to laugh at Mariah's comments about Celine and Aretha. But I think actually I'll just invite everyone to listen to the song. When a white woman sings it in tribute to a black woman, and when a white guy is moved to tears by it, you must surely know that the world isn't even half as bad a place as people with agenda are interested in making you believe it is. (Friday 16 October 2020; 01:53)

Re: JFL (96,271) (96,276) by Mirage_Nunez from America Okay this post was a Complete fail due to the heavy editing. It was suppose to be just for laughs, but just disregard it now. [Webmaster: I didn't edit anything, I posted the complete message uncensored.] (Friday 16 October 2020; 01:48)

Re: What if (96,263) (96,275) by 123 from USA Edward. Now you are sounding ridiculous. That's the point, Mariah wouldn't have done that. Mariah could have still squeaked about a whistle note that night. She used to compensate with tons of whistle notes in 2005 when her upper register was lacking. She let out a whistle note in 99 even after Diana told her in rehearsal "you will not be hitting that note tonight" only to have the note edited out per Diana's request when the show re-aired for reruns. You see Mariah open her mouth and nothing comes out. Whitney wouldn't have stepped up to Aretha, her Godmother and the same lady who her mother sang backup for because she knows the rules. Respect your elders if you want to be part of the soul singer circle. I remember in a late 90s Whitney interview they said you are the biggest singer since Aretha. Whitney's was like "Oooh um don't tell Aretha that." She knew to respect Aretha and she didn't want any smoke from Aretha or her mother Cissy. It's not a race thing, it's respect. Mariah thought Celine should have stood down. Celine was defending Carole because Aretha sang over Carole and Celine's parts, so she took revenge and stepped up to Aretha. Are either of them are wrong? No. It's subjective. Mariah is ok to feel the way she does. Celine is ok if she felt she wanted to defend her friend. Neither are wrong but why is Mariah being crucified for feeling like you should respect those that came before you. And to say she overhang with her male counterparts. She's the soprano. She is supposed to sing the top notes/harmony. And why can't she include this in her book if she felt it important. It's cool if you guys are disillusioned with her, I'd respect you more if you left like Randy did. But to keep coming here just to keep the tone of this board so toxic is concerning. This is not normal. We get remixes, rarities, vinyls, a book that some of you hate, and looks like she isn't done. Let the rest of us that accept who and what she is in 2020 enjoy our little Mariah hobby. God Bless and hope some of you find some happiness in your lives. (Friday 16 October 2020; 01:04)

Re: End of the affair (96,264) (96,274) by Hilton from USA Bill - I love what you wrote here. Seems honest and objective. (Friday 16 October 2020; 00:47)

Re: What if (96,263) (96,273) by Geronimo from USA Edward, asking what would be different if "Whitney Houston replaces Celine that night", shows you have missed the plot entirely. Whitney Houston's pedigree is the Black church tradition that produced her Black Gospel singing mother, Cissy Houston. The culture gap Celine Dion fell all the way into is literally Whitney Houston's cultural home. You speak as if Afro-American creative and social culture is mostly a product of retail pop culture and not the practice of a real group of people with a history. I wonder where you learned that. The traditions of performing Black Gospel music in the U.S are related to West African and Afro-American music, cosmologies, practices of conjuring, trance, glossolalia and other elements. Aretha carried that tradition into a time when many commercial artists seemed to have forgotten the roots of this American music. Race is not real. It is a mistake people who look like you produced. Culture is real. Clearly, Celine Dion either did not know what not to do or didn't care to proceed as if there might be something she should learn before taking the stage. I wonder why that is. (Friday 16 October 2020; 00:41)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,269) (96,272) by RibbonB from USA Edward, please let CD go, lol. It's such good viewing isn't it? I hope there will be a season two. (Friday 16 October 2020; 00:22)

JFL (96,271) by Mirage_Nunez from America Mariah: Oh no no no dahling. You don't go toe to toe with the Queen of Soul, you revere her and only sing along to compliment her, not out do her. Celine: I respect you, but we're going to be sanging and bringing down this house together. If I just so happen to out-sing you then. (Friday 16 October 2020; 00:21)

TRL / hypothetical dueling divas (96,270) by Mirage_Nunez from America I'm sorry, but I do believe the TRL thing was definitely over sensationalized. Mariah with an ice cream cart, pulling off an oversized t shirt (only to reveal another outfit) was not the worst/craziest moment that ever happened on MTV like they tried to spin and Carson just added fuel to the fire. Now he really threw Mariah under the bus (never seem to truly care about her welling being/the aftermath) in that situation and capitalized off the headlines/media coverage on her meltdown. Mariah has already taken accountability for that ordeal with admitting she was exhausted and allowed herself to be overworked. What more would you like her to say: "Yes I am batsh*t crazy and should be in a straight jacket right now." She actually should defend herself against the over exaggerated stories out there from the media and tell her side of what happened with her family. Ask yourself did the people who actually did her dirty take accountability for it or did they just run her in the ground and collect checks from her name. The cultural gap comment is debatable. Celine is not an American white woman, she's French Canadian and I believe Mariah was more so referencing that as the possible cultural difference. I doubt it was "this white woman had no business singing gospel with a black women". It's really unfair to do the hypothetical Whitney scenario, because she's no longer with us and I don't feel right even saying if she would've done the same thing as Celine or not. However since it's been posed as a question, I believes she would've been somewhere in the middle of what Celine and Mariah did. I believe she would've shined on her parts and did her thing, and sung along to compliment Aretha's voice without (seemingly to some ) trying out sing her. She had the same reverence for Aretha Mariah has and actually knew Aretha personally. However if Whitney would've belted over Aretha's voice and went toe to toe in a competitive way, I think Mariah would've felt the same way and said the same thing she's said in past interviews about feeling like she belonged "with the background singers". I mean she wouldn't have had the exact same commentary of course with the cultural part, but I think she still would've said something in reference to why she didn't do the same thing. She and Whitney had their little subliminal shady comment moments towards each other before they actually met and became friends now. Lol. I've actually been on the fence and can see both sides of the situation and thought Celine and Aretha voices sound great on top of each others actually: it was like the soulful church belt meets the contemporary pop run. To be fair every woman had a right to sing their best on that stage that night during their solo performances and when coming together the goal should be to sing well together complimenting each other's voices and not outdo and compete with each other. I've seen this happen in much worse cases with other groups of female singers (reference Patti and Dionne Warwick). However we chose to view the Divas moment moving forward that Natural Woman performance is one for the books and made for one of the greatest moments in diva history. As far as thinking a lot this conversation/opinions shared is rubbish or BS, I accept that we won't agree on a lot of things on this message board. I'm okay with just sharing our different point of views respectfully and respectfully disagree and moving on. I think some just take their rightful grievances to toxic levels and that's the part that's off putting to a lot of the members on this board. At the end of the day we all come her to mostly express our love and appreciation for Mariah's musical contributions not to assassinate her character and foil the message board experience for others. That's something we should all me mindful of when sharing our thoughts. That's all. (Friday 16 October 2020; 00:16)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,268) (96,269) by Edward from USA Celine Dion is executive producer. I hope Mariah won't object. Lol. I love love the series. Thanks for bringing it up here. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 23:56)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,182) (96,268) by RibbonB from USA Just curious, have you been watching the series and do you know the team and origins of the work? That's importsnt in the enjoyment, IMO. They are doing a masterful job of handling this subject, especially in he pulp, horror, sci-fi realm. It is strangely deep and moving, yet fun to watch with other nerds, or other interested parties. It definitely is not, nor meant to be a straight ahead drama. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 23:06)

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