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New book (94,671) by Lee from USA If Slim Shady is so worried about an book that hasn't been released yet, then he needs to the truth. (Thursday 23 July 2020; 00:22)

Jump Smokers (94,670) by G.G. from USA Does anyone know where I can find all the remixes that The Jump Smokers did for the Memoirs album? I used to have them, and can't find them anywhere. Thanks. (Wednesday 22 July 2020; 23:05)

MIAM (94,669) by Bobby A from United States Today is going to be a MIAM day. I remember it coming out and I was playing all day that hot summer in Nashville 2014. To me MIAM is Mariah's most technical album in terms of how she uses her voice throughout the album. Heavenly shows that MC is one of the greatest vocalist ever. To me, Caution lacked those technical vocals. I hope her next album returns her to the Butterfly/Daydream eras. (Wednesday 22 July 2020; 19:52)

Re: Nick (94,663) (94,668) by Timothy from USA Oh Andrew. I think because you are so used to people being combative with you on this forum, you read my previous post with a perceived tone that wasn't as severe as you took it. I have always told you I have no desire to argue with you or anybody else on this board. I have read posts on this board for some time and I did think it was nice that you made a "well-intentioned" apology to Licia. I am certainly aware you don't do it often however, your message was public and the apology was served for all of us to read with some pretty sweeping judgement about BLM. I didn't write my last post looking for an apology. At first I was pretty upset by your earlier post. I don't get upset easily. But then I just felt bad for you and I took accountability for obviously riling your up. You were making an effort to apologize and I allowed a few weeks of reading news articles filled with nasty comments by some trolls to lead me to jump to a conclusion when I saw some of the same language like "victimization" etc in your post. So, by the time I got to your post on this website, I probably gave you more than you deserved for trying to apologize to someone you respect. I am secure enough and man enough to acknowledge I am a junior executive who skims a lot all day. I skimmed your post and thus I apologize for not thoroughly reading and then attempting to invalidating your apology. In truth, that post was for Licia and Licia only to comment on. Having said that, there are a few things I want to clear up. First, I don't really think it's creepy to see several different pics of the same person, over a decade's time and mention they are attractive. Labeling someone a pretty boi might be a cultural thing for me that sounds like a bigger compliment in print than saying it in passing. I wasn't hitting on you or asking you out. When I referenced "build on" I meant dialog on the board. In fact, in the past, I noticed that someone was able to disarm your defense mechanism to launch into combat mode by throwing a little flattery in there. Whatever disagreement you were having shifted to you exchanging emails. (I was skimming that too so that is what I thought I read.) That wasn't the outcome I was looking for in this case but I did want you to relax and really understand the point I was making about bias. Alas, that didn't occur. Secondly, I never had a problem with you pointing out the struggles of Jewish people but you presented it comparatively, which is harmful. Thirdly, I try and operate with a sense that all people are good and decent at their core and therefore, lately I am working on assuming positive intent, no matter the packaging. So, with that being said, if I assume that you are a good and decent person underneath all the vitriol, then I think I should share with you that a textbook example of White Supremacy is immediately labeling the person discussing bias as a racist themself. So, I will assume you didn't know that and that you deduced me talking about Mariah bias as labeling you a racist, which couldn't be further from my point. A deeper study and understanding of all of this would lead us to the conclusion that racism is an action; it is the system of oppression that results from prejudice and bias. Racism requires a position of power or authority in a given situation to create actions and facilitate systems of oppression. So, by that definition, neither of us could deduce the other is a racist from our exchange. To reinforce my previous point on intrinsic bias, I want to clarify that bias can most times be subconscious and not have malice. It is often the result of images and narratives in media and teachings from one's home or immediate environment. The older woman who jumps when she sees me as a black man with a football build next to her in a Buckhead Atlanta supermarket isn't a racist. Her intrinsic bias leads her to believe that I am something to fear. Thus, if I pointed out you being biased against Mariah, it could be unintended or unknowing. I think we all owe each other the benefit of the doubt. Now on the matter of this "white boy shut up". I read my post again three times looking for that. I am direct and I don't allude to anything so I like my words to be taken at face value. I do wonder if that was projection on your part as many of your posts can be summarized as you telling someone they are dumb and to shut up. This is a chat board. If we shut up there would be no point. And I like Adult Contemporary music like most people who were around in the 90s. I paid hundreds of dollars for Celine tickets lol, so I don't think Adult Contemporary is a defined race. And Eurocentricity has its place. Who doesn't like a great, sweeping period epic? It just should not be held as the gold standard when someone chooses to do something different is my point. Now, don't take this wrong. But you did bring it up just because I used a standard title, commonly associated with the presidency of the United States. If we are to understand that Briton is a common wealth and it's citizens/subjects recognize a sovereign (even if only ceremonially), who is God's representation on earth, who requires that you show her deference in her presence, then that is at least reinforcing the idea that some bloodlines have more value than others. I get the impression that Queen Elizabeth is a nice woman. However, it is a fact that British monarchs enriched themselves through hundreds of years of imperialism and subjugating other cultures, under the belief they were savages that didn't deserve control or ownership of their own land or resources (America has its own sordid last with genocide and slavery obviously). So while you may enjoy all of your freedoms in your homeland, there may be variations of liberty around the rest of the common wealth, meaning a member of the commonwealth's freedom may sometimes have an asterisk next to it. Lastly, Andrew, you give a lot of didactic feedback about argument validity, intelligence, etc. As someone who did win a state-wide debate award or two, I learned a long time ago that substantive points should stand on their own, without subjectivity. So, I challenge you to try, even if just for a week, to make your counterpoints to someone on this board without questioning their intelligence, being petty, or attempting to marginalize and belittle them. That way, your points will be more clear and people will understand your messages for their true intentions, often with valid points, without the unnecessary, and frankly draining, sideshow. I have been a smart guy my whole life. Gifted since kindergarten. But a very hard childhood, filled with perhaps more than my fair share of trauma, caused me to build a wall and use my intelligence as a defense mechanism to protect me like an armor against all those perceived enemies. That was a draining way to live. Thankfully, I had the unique privilege in my young adulthood in Atlanta of spending time with some great men who happened to be national civil rights heroes like Rev. Joseph Lowry and the recently departed Rep. John Lewis. From them I learned some valuable lessons in character and humility. From really applying those lessons in humility later in adulthood came the six figure job and the quality relationships and of course, the bad bitches. It made all the difference. So, I really don't know you Andrew. But like all of us, you have a choice, you can respond to this balanced, subjectivity-free attempt at dialog with your same, well-branded animosity, or you can make a different choice. Whatever that next chapter is for you, there is always a choice. I hope that all of us use this unique time in our public discourse on race to really make an effort to not just listen, but to hear each other, as we have much to learn from our opposing viewpoints. Be well, TLB (Wednesday 22 July 2020; 04:46)

Re: Someday Live Debut (94,664) (94,667) by Andrew from the United Kingdom If there were a live recording of the Sweet Sweet Fantasy Tour and this was released, I would die, also. Best party night of my life. And most professional and well crafted concert Mariah has ever done, in my humble. (Tuesday 21 July 2020; 21:53)

Always Too Beautiful (94,665) by Bill from the UK Check out this excellent fan remix of Always Be My Baby and Beautiful. (Tuesday 21 July 2020; 18:12)

Re: Someday Live Debut (94,662) (94,664) by Bill from the UK I really hope it is Emotions' turn and she puts out that Can You Hear Me track she teased on the video. An unused song from 1991. Wow. I will die. (Tuesday 21 July 2020; 16:54)

Re: Nick (94,659) (94,663) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "Now this post was troublesome." It must have been so for you. You failed to recognise many of the points made. "For the record, the free world is currently being led by a man who retweets antisemitic tweets and calls Neo Nazi groups 'good people'. He wasn't cancelled either." For the record, the "free world" is a propaganda term from the Cold War. The UK is a perfectly free country and your president is not mine. And, yes, politicians do get cancelled. At the ballot box. You will have the opportunity to get rid of that man in November. "[I]t is alarming to read a non-minority person post about how that group is the truly disadvantaged." Your intersectionalism is as pathetic as it is non-intellectual. You think that a non-Jew cannot comment on the oppression and hatred towards Jews and Israel, which is loathsome. You're becoming a joke. Anti-semitism is racism. And I am anti-that. That's what you want, isn't it? See how your arguments start to fall because you blindly inject them with your own racism? "I draw a line however at you attempting to validate or invalidate the Black Lives Matter movement. How dare you assume to speak on the true intentions of/or the hearts of people who you don't know, nor have you walked in the shoes of?" I read the BLM manifesto; I went to a protest/riot and listened to people there speak; I have read books; I formulated an erudite opinion based upon the facts as they presented themselves. "If anyone wanted to read Fox News dog whistles on race and BLM, we wouldn't be here on this board for an escape." My posts are relevant to Mariah, news on this board or significant news in the world on which people comment. I and many others use this board for continued commentary on many things - it prevents it from being about lists and which is the best song from Memoirs on a daily basis which makes it run dry. Mariah Carey's ex-husband being caught up in a racism storm soon after marching against racism is worthy of commentary. You may not want Fox News opinions. You believe that all people should hear only the opinions you want them to hear? Commie. "I was very offended when I read your other post as well." It seems you are one of the professionally offended who believes causing offense himself is justified based upon his own privileged position to speak as a person of color; white people be damned, clearly. "You are on a fan page of a woman of color who herself supports the movement." Mariah's opinions are her own: they are mutually exclusive from my own. If you'd read the message, I support people marching and protesting against actual injustice. I do not support a cultural Marxist or communist approach to anything. Which is what the BLM organisation has become. "I think the light bulb that went off for me today" It doesn't sound like there was ever a light on so far. But I shall keep reading anyway, with a due sense of exhaustion and dread. "To you, and the rest of the Adult Contemporary crowd, she is a POC who should shut up and sing. And not just sing, sing perfectly, the songs you want, dressed in the euro-centric way you want to see her." For "adult contemporary" read "white. For "euro-centric" read "white". You have extrapolated racism from nowhere and this is in itself borne out of clear racism. The exhaustion and dread was justified. "[I]t is your entitlement that gives you the gaul to do so in the first place." Having an opinion is indeed an entitlement in the "free world". Well done; You finally made some sense. However, to see someone having an opinion as showing "gaul" is rather funny. Your post is, thus, full of "gaul". But you are privileged to speak. Damn all the white people. White people be damned lol. "One shouldn't apologize if one doesn't mean it." I apologised to Licia. I don't apologise to people lightly. To you I do not apologise. You clearly are a racist and subscribe to the politics of nonsense. "And if I am honest I actually think you look pretty attractive." I think this solidifies your strangeness and should make anybody upvoting you think twice about the mentality of the person with whom they are agreeing. This is weird. And creepy af. Do you think this type of commentary or behaviour acceptable in your liberal brave new world? It is not, I would say. It is viewed as sexual inappropriateness. Shame on you. Rapist. "And if the webmaster would ever let me post my pic, you would see I was a handsome brotha myself." Eric does not stop people putting their picture up. Try posting a picture in a lower resolution for a smaller sized file. However, I do not care what you look like. You have subscribed to a self-righteous liberal politic in which you get to silence people that disagree with you based upon their immutable characteristics. Basically, white people. "For the same reasons that conservatives lose many of us, the generalizations and the vitriol." This is the best part. Again, white people have to shut up, they are all privileged. Sound like a vitriolic generalisation, doesn't it? "If there was anything to apologize to me and any other POC on the board" I am not apologising to you. I see you for the idiot that you are. "Intelligence is useless if it is used to destroy and tear down. How much farther could you reach pretty boi, if you used that intelligence to build something up." Thankyou for requesting that I be positive and engaging whilst calling me a name designed to objectify and belittle me. Are you starting to realise what you are yet? Are you capable of being "illuminated"? You are a hypocrite. And not a very clever one, for you subscribe to an intersectional politics designed to do, and justify with piety the very thing it proclaims to not. "I would ask you if you are open to understanding what intrinsic bias sounds like" Yes, I just read it all through you ridiculous post. Illuminated, further? You either failed to understand where I was coming from or you, most likely, chose to ignore it because the white boy was stepping out of line. Essentially, Nick Cannon, the black man who went on a black lives matter protest to rally against discrimination and injustice offered very negative and fallacious stereotypes of white people and Jews which could incite hatred and violence to a community that lives in constant fear of it. And instead of the same anger turning on him, he is forgiven. In fact the "black community turned on" him for apologising. And rather than address the issues I raised, you decided to claw back to the "white man bad, everyone else good, so shut up" point of view. You are not clever enough to debate me. Let me some up your long, ridiculous post: "Shut up, white boy. But I think you're hot." Let me sum up my response: "No, you hypocrite. And eeeeeew, what a creep." Toodles. (Tuesday 21 July 2020; 16:31)

Re: Someday Live Debut (94,660) (94,662) by enwar00 from usa Yeah that would be fun to watch. No don't do that, I wait all winter for summer and you're wishing it away. No wonder it's flying by. What do you think she'll put out this Friday? (Tuesday 21 July 2020; 15:45)

Re: Nick (94,659) (94,661) by We are Lambily from USA Beautiful statement Timothy, I wished I could like it a hundred times over. (Tuesday 21 July 2020; 15:11)

Re: Someday Live Debut (94,648) (94,660) by Bill from the UK It's actually quite endearing how much of a mess this performance is haha. Bless her. I still wish it had been included though for the lols, but get why it wasn't. I can't wait for this Friday, wishing my weeks away for the foreseeable future. (Tuesday 21 July 2020; 09:34)

Re: Nick (94,658) (94,659) by Timothy from USA Now this post was troublesome. For the record, the free world is currently being led by a man who retweets antisemitic tweets and calls Neo Nazi groups "good people". He wasn't cancelled either. While, I have been fortunate enough to partake in ceremonial joint African American and Jewish Seders that help both sides in attendance see the similarity of our struggles and difficult pasts through prayer and breaking bread, I think it is alarming to read a non-minority person post about how that group is the truly disadvantaged. I have pondered to myself when I read the frequent vitriol from you, what is the place that you are coming from. Is it a point of view that is necessary for well rounded dialog or is it really just cancerous. I try and see all sides and believe everyone should have a seat at the table where their voice can be heard. I draw a line however at you attempting to validate or invalidate the Black Lives Matter movement. How dare you assume to speak on the true intentions of/or the hearts of people who you don't know, nor have you walked in the shoes of? You speaking on Black Lives Matter is like me pontificating on Brexit. It's misplaced. If anyone wanted to read Fox News dog whistles on race and BLM, we wouldn't be here on this board for an escape. I was very offended when I read your other post as well. I could care less what does or does not happen to Nick. It was you using it as an excuse to interject BLM into the conversation and the way you did it. You are on a fan page of a woman of color who herself supports the movement. I think the light bulb that went off for me today is that I finally understand why you speak about Mariah in the harsh way that you do. To you, and the rest of the Adult Contemporary crowd, she is a POC who should shut up and sing. And not just sing, sing perfectly, the songs you want, dressed in the euro-centric way you want to see her. If she can't do that, then she is less than the dirt under your foot, which is how you talk about her. Her life and existence is therefore of service to you, nothing more. If it was, then you would display more empathy for her human condition and it's mistakes. So to you and everyone on the board reading this, let it be illuminated, that a person who has never written or recorded music, not performed live for three decades, or ever had to put his hands perfectly in his lap with a gun pointed at him by the police during a racial profiling stop (whose salaries are paid by his taxes) should probably take a good look in the mirror and understand that every time you attempt to validate or invalidate her worth or the BLM cause, it is your entitlement that gives you the gaul to do so in the first place. One shouldn't apologize if one doesn't mean it. You didn't need to apologize for insinuating that Black lives don't matter because you restated your same point right after. The sad part of all of this Andrew is just like many of my conservative friends, on most issues, we are not that far apart. And if I am honest I actually think you look pretty attractive. And if the webmaster would ever let me post my pic, you would see I was a handsome brotha myself. So why can't two attractive, intelligent men from two different sides of the world with a shared interest not build on that connection? For the same reasons that conservatives lose many of us, the generalizations and the vitriol. If there was anything to apologize to me and any other POC on the board, it was your sweeping generalization you made about what all people supporting BLM are like or want. Intelligence is useless if it is used to destroy and tear down. How much farther could you reach pretty boi, if you used that intelligence to build something up. I don't assume to know your heart so I would never call you a racist but I would ask you if you are open to understanding what intrinsic bias sounds like and how it makes the people in your circle of influence feel when you speak arrogantly from that place. If you were truly open to that, then I think African Americans like myself would be open to speaking on how we really feel about our valid message getting hijacked or stepped on by a few which is the ammunition for the argument you made in the first place. (Tuesday 21 July 2020; 03:21)

Re: Nick (94,653) (94,658) by Andrew from the United Kingdom What I was getting at was the BLM manifesto in itself, not people marching because they believe the need to protest for equal rights or, in this case, equal treatment by persons instructed by the state. I, of course, do not believe that all black people are criminals and so on. My facetiousness was aimed at what many people who march and riot advocate and the hypocrisy of Nick Cannon and anyone who hops a bandwagon, regardless that it is not going to their destination of choice. Nick Cannon is alleged to be a racist, an anti-semite. By recent blanket, unquestionable application of principle, that must surely be the case, no? Now whether he *actually* is or not is equivocal. Things said in haste, or under duress, or without proper forethought (and so on) do *not*, in my view, necessarily represent what that person is inside, should they retract and apologise. But herein lies my issue. Where is the moral outrage (not even faux moral outrage) at what he said? Where is the cheering of the cancel culture? I was wrong to say I enjoyed him being cancelled. It is actually abhorrent to me. It is a modern day witch trial instigated by those who seek to exert authority and control without question. It is immoral and wrong. But a black man broadcasts anti-white, anti-Jewish things and the moral outrage fades away to a apologetic comments on his behalf. Why? Imagine he was white/Jewish agreeing with and advocating hate (and ridiculously wrong opinions) toward black people. The outrage would have ended him there and then. There would be no coming back. But “Nick has hopefully learned his lesson”? Well, I hope he has. And I hope that he isn’t as much of a fucking bellend as he sounds (but we all probably think, on the balance of probability, he is, no?) And I hope that mistakes that, at the end of the day, didn’t really cause a serious degree of harm, can be forgotten. But I seriously question where the moral outrage from the professionally offended has gone? The “black community” have “turned their back on him” for apologising? Where is the moral outrage at this? Nevermind, y’all. Let’s pray for Nick. But not the other people who live and die by the drumhead judgement of a warped liberal ideology. You wanna know a group of people who have seriously suffered throughout very recent history and still actually face quite serious discrimination and violence on a daily basis? Jews. Where is everyone's outrage for them Jewish lives matter. Hypocrisy is rife. So apologies for my facetiousness, as it has not had the effect I intended. Black lives do matter. And I won’t downgrade the importance of that statement by declaring all lives matter. But let us act as if they do and point out the hypocrisy of selective application of fundamental principles. Otherwise we live in an even more dangerous world than originally thought. And it's particularly exhausting. If it means anything, you have my apologies if I upset you. (Monday 20 July 2020; 22:44)

Mariah Carey wanted to be in the first X-Men movie (94,657) by MusicfanJ from Germany I went to the first X-Men movie back in 2000 and I would have loved to see Mariah on the big screen. But I guess Halle Berry was perfect for "Storm". And I got the chance to watch beautiful Mariah one year later with "Glitter". (Monday 20 July 2020; 20:18)

Re: 48th Grammys performance (94,652) (94,656) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Individual differences. Everyone is unique. There are types of singers who peak early in terms of vocal performance. Mariah may be part of that group. About the swift degradation, that's where other factors such as lifestyle and unhealthy singing technique, etc. come in. Even if Mariah had the physiological predisposition for an early vocal decline, it's the things she had/s actual control of that exacerbated/s those susceptibilities. To what extent is anyone's guess. (Monday 20 July 2020; 19:12)

Re: Nick (94,653) (94,655) by Anonymous from Well said Licia. (Monday 20 July 2020; 19:09)

Re: Nick (94,649) (94,654) by MusicfanJ from Germany I know Mariah wrote Clown for Eminem. But it would also suit Nick especialy the sentence "Nobody cares if the tears of a clown fall down." I mean he's not a teeanger, he's a public person and he should have known better. Health issues, who has not. At this crisis I think 95 per cent of the people have problems. But they don't talk about stuff like he did. Luckily. But yes maybe he will think twice in the future. (Monday 20 July 2020; 17:00)

Re: Nick (94,651) (94,653) by Licia from USA Nick was wrong for what he said. I hope he really did learn from his mistake. Anyway, that second paragraph was complete and utter bs. I'm sorry those idiots marching bother y'all so much. Despite what y'all believe not all black people are criminals and not all of us are marching because we feel criminals don't need to get punished or that the cops are just being meanies. They are marching because people like Breonna Taylor (who wasn't a criminal btw) died unjustly and it has been happening far too often. If they did something wrong they definitely deserved to go to jail, but in a few of these situations the punishment did not fit the crime. In 2020 I've learned you can march for gay rights, the right to not to wear a mask in a pandemic, the right to bear arms, but you can not march or take a knee against police brutality or just be black. (Monday 20 July 2020; 15:55)

48th Grammys performance (94,652) by Bobby A from United States Was MC's performance of We Belong Together/Fly Like A Bird at the 48th Grammys Awards the last time she sang those high notes and belted with such confident? I can't think another performance where she showed so much confident with her performance. And when I listen to Karen Clark-Sheard, I wonder why after 40 years she still has the same vocal abilities that she had when she was in her 20's. (Monday 20 July 2020; 14:03)

Re: Nick (94,650) (94,651) by Stacey from USA Exactly to your second paragraph, especially the last sentence or two. Too bad I can't put like a million exclamation points behind "exactly". (Monday 20 July 2020; 02:26)

Re: Nick (94,647) (94,650) by Andrew from the United Kingdom It is the popular go-to: make yourself out to be a victim. So, discovered to be an anti-Semite and lost your job and reputation? Claim you are suffering mental health issues. Very good way of saying the backlash gives you the boo-hoos and you'd rather it stopped. Imagine if it was thought that people who commit crimes should not be sent to prison because the people who caught them were meanies and it upset them. Oh wait, that's right. Nick was on a march with idiots who want just that. (Sunday 19 July 2020; 15:26)

Nick (94,649) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Nick put himself in fire now he has to put it out. Yes his actions have caused him to lose so endorsements, and part of his brand. However he has learned that he must be careful when expressing himself because major corporations are not be toyed with when they invest in you because they don’t mind taking their money out of your pocket if they feel like you are not representing them properly. On another note playing with suicide is no laughing matter because [there are] people who are going through some really traumatic things besides losing money contemplating taking their lives. The point is Nick needs to learn from this, and be cautious of how he uses his platform, and his words before he truly loses a lot more the next time. However he can bounce back from this as long as he educates himself, and realizes the power in his words. (Sunday 19 July 2020; 15:17)

Someday Live Debut (94,648) by enwar00 from usa Here it is on YouTube in case anyone wants to hear it. Never heard it before. I don't mind it even with mistakes or whatever is happening. (Sunday 19 July 2020; 07:23)

Re: Nick (94,643) (94,647) by Bill from the UK I'm not sure how I feel about Nick now putting his location as heaven, saying he is leaving the planet, and goodbye earth etc. If he is genuinely suicidal then that is one thing, and I wish him all the help in the world against that struggle. If however he is belittling suicide by over dramatising for likes and sympathy, then that is probably as worse as his anti-Semitic comments. (Sunday 19 July 2020; 07:12)

Re: See ya, Nick (94,644) (94,646) by We are Lambily from USA There was no need to mention [Black Lives Matter], [Nick] said some things, he apologized and we should all move on. Nick is not going anywhere, he still has his job at Fox #1 show, his radio shows, his talk show has been pushed but it's coming. You can't keep hardworking talents down, just ask Mariah. (Saturday 18 July 2020; 19:13)

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