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Re: The A, B, 90s albums and The Disappearance of Mimi (81,162) (81,169) by Bill from the UK Better than fritos and kitchen windows? (Monday 26 February 2018; 20:06)

"Live in Japan (Revolver Classic Concerts)" CD (81,168) by Billy from Greece Anyone knows whether this release has a decent sound? It's the Daydream Tour. (Monday 26 February 2018; 18:09)

Re: Smoke and mirrors (81,164) (81,167) by Andrew from UK Buddy, I understand your point but you could also appreciate that if Mariah did not carry herself the way she did, people would not be so eager to tear her down. The public turned away from somebody who themselves turned to extreme vanity, somebody for whom global attention for their talent is not enough unless her tits were also being looked at, somebody who essentially turned herself into a characature. Of course the public like to tear her down moreso than other artists for she made herself into the butt of a joke. If you saw somebody in the street who clearly loved themselves, acted aloof and thought themselves special, you'd piss yourself laughing if they fell into a puddle of dirty water. Mariah having to heavily rely on lip-sync and dubbing after the way she carried, and still carries herself, is her puddle of dirty water. (Monday 26 February 2018; 17:05)

Re: The A, B, 90s albums and The Disappearance of Mimi (81,151) (81,166) by Andrew from UK In fact, you completely missed Jagged Little Pill which was groundbreaking and perhaps defined a generation. (Monday 26 February 2018; 16:37)

Big Jim Wright (81,165) by Billy from Greece I really wonder what the deal is with Big Jim and why exactly he was kicked out of the team (if that's the case). Every now and then he posts on social media some not that enigmatic statements, which I assume refer to the Mariah situation, though even after they "broke up" he still praised her. Hm. (Monday 26 February 2018; 16:04)

Re: Smoke and mirrors (81,161) (81,164) by Tijl from Belgium Hello Andrew, I get your point and I do understand and respect it. However I compared television and cinema with the music industry and not the theatre. Every actor who played at the Old Vic or any other stage for that matter will confirm how very different such a performance is compared with acting on a set were one is able to pause, erase and rewind. Mariah is a popstar, and although a rather legendary one who might have set the bar for others, she is part of a system that supports heavily on smoke and mirrors. What irritates me is that she is always getting the slack for miming or dubbing performances when every other big name in the business does it just as well. (Monday 26 February 2018; 15:58)

Re: Butterfly vs. Ray of Light (81,133) (81,163) by B from USA Both of Celine's album (Falling Into You and Let's Talk About Love) seem tailor made to guarantee dominance of Adult Contemporary radio. Yes, she gives impassioned chest thumping vocal performances but her albums have always seemed to lack soul to me. (Monday 26 February 2018; 14:21)

Re: The A, B, 90s albums and The Disappearance of Mimi (81,151) (81,162) by Andrew from UK I will come to Atlanta just to correct your list of best 90's albums. Ray of Light is superior to all other 90's female artists records in terms of concept and execution. Plus it's not half as depressing as some of the other ones. It even escapes Madonna's oft excruciating lyrics. For shits and giggles, some examples: "We can drink some wine, burgundy is fine, let's drink the bottle every drop" and the ever impressive "I drive my Mini Cooper and I'm feelin' super duper, you can tell me I'm a trooper." For lyrical artistry Mariah doesn't really have competition. However, there's something to be said for Madonna's ability to turn a phrase. (Monday 26 February 2018; 14:19)

Re: Smoke and mirrors (81,159) (81,161) by Andrew from UK Your argument is almost completely baseless. To justify one wrong by pointing out another wrong happening in some other realm is quite silly. Dubbing is lip syncing in reverse - you are not moving your mouth to the words, you are moving the words to your mouth. It is, inarguably, a lie. Were I to go to the theatre tonight to see a play, I could expect live acting with live words coming out of the players' mouths. I would have experienced genuine artistry and talent designed to move me in some way. You ought to be able to expect that from a musical performance. Equally when you purchase a recording of said performance, you really ought to be able to expect that what was performed is exactly what you purchased. I know that things are not this way, and so be it. But, Lordy me, don't justify it as being okay. It is a lie. Just an industry wide one. When I first realised that Mariah has dubbed performances I was pretty thrown, rather heartbroken. And, again, so be it. But let us be honest about the untruths here. For example, putting a "live" performance on MCIIY which is not actually a live performance is offends anyone with an intellect. The problem with Mariah's career in the face of internet downloading and the boom of social media is that she is being examined intensely. And, frankly, being caught out. A lot. (Monday 26 February 2018; 13:54)

Re: Django Jane (81,157) (81,160) by MusicfanJ from Germany I have to listen to Django Jane. I only know some songs from her debut and was surprised of the sound, very unique, almost like music for the cinema. It's true the current music scene seems dead. I bought three "best of" cd's because of the boring charts. (Whitney, Tina Turner and Janis Joplin.) I know it's a weird combination, but they are all great. I'm not into Rock music, but I like "Maybe" from Janis, more blues-like. So please Mariah, give us new music. (Monday 26 February 2018; 11:30)

Smoke and mirrors (81,159) by Tijl from Belgium The debate regarding dubbed or edited performances is in full swing, once again. Have you ever considered to which degree the performances of actors are manipulated into perfection with the help of a lot a rehearsels, several takes and hours of processing in the cutting room? However, nobody ever doubted the talent of Meryl Streep or Cate Blanchett nor questioned the manner in which these final perfect performances came into fruition. We'll even applaud them for receiving an Academy Award. Everything is relative and every performance by an artist can be dissected into bleakness. Let us acknowledge the genuine talent and artistry of all these amazing people that maintain relevant and respected for decades in a business that is bloody demanding. (Monday 26 February 2018; 10:57)

The assistants name is... (81,158) by tracey from australia Renee. She is lovely by the way. Has kept a very low profile in all aspects hence why no one knows who she is. (Monday 26 February 2018; 09:19)

Re: Django Jane (81,153) (81,157) by Edward from USA The time is just right for a great cohesive quality album by Mariah. It's like good music is dead. (Monday 26 February 2018; 02:20)

Re: Our minds work differently (81,147) (81,156) by Edward from USA RJJ12, thanks for you kind words. Even though I listen to music mostly in the English language, my native language is Spanish and I have a few artists I love and listen to. My Latina version of Mariah is Laura Pausini, especially her older albums. She's Italian but has released all her albums in both Italian and Spanish since the beginning, she's huge in Latin America. Laura, just like Mariah, has lots of introspective and inspirational songs. Her voice is sultry, powerful and beautiful. My Latino versions of Mariah would be Cristian Castro and Luis Miguel. I loved me some Mecano, even though they're not together anymore. I'm actually listening to the album "Bueno" from Descemer Bueno, a cuban singer. Others I listen to are Maná, Ana Torroja, Chayanne, Marc Anthony, Ruben Blades, Miguel Bosé and the list goes on. I picked up a Spanish singer from music my father used to listen to when I was little, his name is Joan Manuel Serrat, his music is pure poetry about life and experiences. Making this list actually made me realized that I love artists who sing about personal life experiences and struggles. (Monday 26 February 2018; 01:39)

Re: Django Jane (81,153) (81,155) by RibbonB from USA Preach, it has been atrocious. it is way past time for quality and creativity to circle back into vogue. Her videos are in YouTube, please check them out. (Monday 26 February 2018; 00:56)

Re: Butterfly vs. Ray of Light (81,145) (81,154) by Licia from USA The Ray of Light album is when I took a step back from Madonna. ROL took Madonna in a direction musically that I didn't like. Bedtime Stories is a phenomenal album. Take A Bow was an unexpected and awesome surprise. (Monday 26 February 2018; 00:29)

Re: Django Jane (81,152) (81,153) by Licia from USA I've never been into Janelle's music, but from the few songs I have heard in the past I've always thought she was talented and absolutely gorgeous. I might need to check out these new songs. Great music is damn near extinct right now and I'm definitely itching for something new and great from Mariah and other artists. The acceptance of mediocrity in the music buisneds now and days is sickening. (Monday 26 February 2018; 00:14)

Re: Django Jane (81,146) (81,152) by RibbonB from USA Yes to good new music from anybody. Yes Janelle has done her thing. Word is Prince was working with her on this project before he passed, so his imprint may be on more than just Make Me Feel. Django Jane is an instant classic IMO. (Sunday 25 February 2018; 23:44)

The A, B, 90s albums and The Disappearance of Mimi (81,151) by Randy from USA Great minds think alike B. I don't know where to place the three Toni Braxton albums or the three TLC albums or the three Mary J Blige albums or several Madonna sets I left off. I own them all and love them all but these albums to me are the best. And the fact that we are talking other artists' albums 20 years ago shows MC has been absent. I definitely don't want a rushed album so I'm being patient but didn't she write and record Rainbow in 3 months and write and record ILT, WBT and SIO in two weeks with JD? Shout outs to Edward, Special K, B and Andrew. I really want one of you to come to the A so I can meet someone from this board. (Sunday 25 February 2018; 23:24)

Tamar singing Honey (81,150) by 123 from USA Does she do Mariah covers in concerts? I'd love to hear her sing a full song. She's always singing snippets of other MC songs. She was blasting through those high belts in Honey while roaming around her kitchen. Perfect transition from the highest belt on the song to the soft airy rift. She's def a student of Mariah. I would love if she covered a hidden gen for an album. Can't Let Go perhaps? (Sunday 25 February 2018; 20:02)

Re: Mariah Carey at Floyd Mayweather's birthday bash (81,137) (81,149) by Hilton from USA Yessss. Come through MC. (Sunday 25 February 2018; 19:49)

Re: Mariah Carey at Floyd Mayweather's birthday bash (81,137) (81,148) by 123 from USA She looks great. Just enough cleavage and leg while still leaving something to the imagination. Whoever has been styling her has got it perfect. Keep this stylist or should I say keep listening to them and letting them take you in a different direction. (Sunday 25 February 2018; 19:40)

Re: Our minds work differently (81,114) (81,147) by 123 from USA Hello Ed. Yeah I would never dedicate that much time to anyone online, hell I hardly post most of the time. We do need some new Mariah music. It hasn't been this quiet in a long time, which I kind of like. Do you listen to any music in Spanish? If so, who are your current interests? I've always liked your posts, you're one of the few originals left, glad you stuck around. (Sunday 25 February 2018; 19:38)

Re: Django Jane (81,103) (81,146) by 123 from USA I love both tracks. The Prince sample on the first track makes the song addicting. The video is awesome. She finally plays around with her fashion, sexy, covered up. Something I want Mariah to do in her videos. Django Jane is another brilliant song and video. In red instead of that black and white suit and her flow had gotten so much better. Two completely different songs. I need the album now. Glad other great artists are dropping music while Mariah is taking a break from the limelight and recording new music. (Sunday 25 February 2018; 19:33)

Re: Butterfly vs. Ray of Light (81,136) (81,145) by 123 from USA I prefer Bedtime Stories over Ray of Light. It's just miles ahead. People don't appreciate it because other bad rep at the time but there isn't a song on Ray of Light that can beat Take A Bow. The whole album is sooo good. My fav from Madonna. (Sunday 25 February 2018; 19:25)

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