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Chaka Khan (102,316) by Terna from Nigeria

That statement has envy written over it. She isn't half the artist or singer Mariah is and she knows this. Chaka's career has been hit and miss, more misses than hits. I mean take away "Tell Me Something Good" with Rufus, "Through The Fire" and "I'm Every Woman" (a song Whitney Houston sang better if I might add) and there goes her career.

"Sweet Thing" the song Mary Blige covered also is a better take than hers even if she wrote it. Smh. To say I was disappointed in how she carried herself in that interview is an understatement.
(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 19:19)

Die For You (102,315) by jaker20 from US

I'm not a chart expert, but I think BB count remixes all the time. The only difference is who gets credited, which has a different rule. The rule is that the remix has to sell more than the original (or I think there's a specific ratio), for the featured artist to get credited.

For example, Mariah wasn't credited for Latto's BER last year. In spite of her contribution actually helping the song immensely. If it wasn't for her remix version, the song wouldn't get to the top 10, nor become a big hit that it was.
(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 18:16)


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Die For You (102,314) by Edward from USA

What BB did was to be expected and not only affected Mariah. A remix shouldn't be a completely different song. Nobody at BB is sabotaging her. Mariah scored her 19th #1 hit when they changed the rule that allow recurrent holiday songs to chart again. She's now sitting pretty with 12 weeks at the top and counting with a nearly 30-year old song.

"Thank God I Found You (Make It Last Remix)" is far superior than the album version, but it's a completely different song. Same for Jennifer's "I'm Real (Murder Remix)" which was the song that prompted the rule change. Many were boosting mediocre songs by combining their airplay/sales with that of their respective remixes. That wasn't fair for those artists who didn't have the muscle or budget behind them to do the same.

At this point I think we need to stop with the paranoia and conspiracy theories. How bigger of an artist could Mariah be? Many would dream of having a tenth of her success.
(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 15:15)


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Die For You (102,313) by "MariahHater" from Hell

I think there was a certain time were BB counts remixes towards the original, then scrapped it as Mariah is the queen of remixes and it helped her maintain chart longevity. Older Lambs, correct me if I am wrong.

I don't know if it's unfair for her but most of the time they are unfair with her as she is a monster not to be reckoned with back in the peak of her glory days. The only bounce back is that she is still peaking.

(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 13:18)


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Die For You (102,312) by Carlos from Brazil

Since you sort of mentioned Tanaka haha. Do you guys think something is happening? I don't think he is with MC anymore. I hope I am wrong and everything is ok, because I think they are a great couple. If he is not, do you think Mariah will find love again?
(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 12:08)


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Die For You (102,311) by jaker20 from US

Shake It Off. The song was released way too close to WBT, otherwise it would have gone to no.1. Or maybe she didn't know WBT would linger for that long.

With that said, I don't know how much a remix really helps a song during that time. This remix to push a song in the charts is only recent and feels really scammy.

I think there was that opportunity last year with Latto and BER but it wasn't rolled out properly.

I said last year that if someone can turn a modern version of Dreamlover into a sample, the same way Latto and her team twisted Fantasy (and Mariah herself sampled Tom Tom Club's version), and then have a remix of it ready to go, it would be a huge hit. Sort of a BER but in reverse.

But ideas like these needs talented collaborators, which I hope Mariah would be more open to. Frankly Mariah's best collaborators right now are Roc & Roe. They make her look at the world differently and bring her to the modern times.

I had thought her partners will bring that kind of influence and something something inspiration to her life, but Nick Cannon turned out to be a loser, and her current beau has no creative bone in his body.
(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 04:54)


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The real reason for no respect (102,310) by Bobby A from United States

Why did it take some distasteful jabs at MC by Chaka to bring out some of the best topics on the board in 3 months? I have enjoyed reading everybody's comments this week. Deep down inside I truly believe MC has one more great album and tour left in her.
(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 01:59)


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The real reason for no respect (102,309) by JC from USA

Haha, cheers. Another one that goes on the board after a few splashes.

I would say, despite the deterioration of her voice, her musicality is generally intact. For example, "You and I" for Stevie or her Patti tribute, raspy AF but she still delivered a unique take while being respectful of the original performance.

I find some performances by Bey or Christina (love them both, especially the former) are overdone to be showy.

When I look at runs for example, I judge based on the following criterion: precision (hits each note), pitch, and placement (meaning, does it actually fit musically and enhance the song).

I do think she always wanted to be a singer but not a performer. Much more of a studio artist, where her creativity shines. Not just the songwriting but the overall production of the track/album.
(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 00:47)


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The real reason for no respect (102,308) by Randy from USA

I was drunk when I wrote that post. Forgive me. St. John the Divine, If It's Over at the Grammys, Emotions at MTV Unplugged, Home for the Holidays and Impromptu for Jimmy Fallon exists. And she sang her ass off. I would like to apologize to my MCA family. I think what's frustrating me is that the diva antics, getting her makeup done on stage and lighting comments, as well as the repeated phrase, most people don't realize I write all of my songs, was shoved down the public's throat and I know those talking points were to distract from her being coined one of the greatest singers of all time when her voice deteriorated hella fast without explanation.
(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 00:12)


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The real reason for no respect (102,307) by Mirage_Nunez from America

Okay. I'm happy you said it, because I was like

whenever I ran across a Mariah performances especially early in her career, she literally sound better than the album. Not to shade anyone, but I actually use to even prefer Mariah's live singing to Whitney's back then, because when I'd run across a Whitney performance she'd be talk singing through her performances, dodging the huge notes (though skillfully), and just overly dragging the songs out, so honestly it just wasn't my cup of tea.

Christina (love her too but) alot of times butcher her songs by oversinging ie doing the absolute most.

Beyoncé is a great performer, but nothing seems organic just very rehearsed to perfection, which isn't necessarily bad, it's just the reason why when Mariah was at her best I was more moved by her live singing than the others.

(Tuesday 7 March 2023; 23:43)


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The real reason for no respect (102,306) by Tevin from USA

I usually agree with you Randy, but public performances such as Can't Let Go, If It's Over Grammys and SNL, begs to differ. But other than that I do agree with what you said.
(Tuesday 7 March 2023; 17:19)


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Brenda K Starr (102,305) by MusicfanJ from Germany

So true. I always liked Brenda K Starr. She was always so nice in interviews, beautiful lady. Isn't she a New Yorker girl too? It was so sweet when she sung "I still believe" with Mariah. At least one person who's not jealous.

(Tuesday 7 March 2023; 16:32)


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The real reason for no respect (102,304) by MusicfanJ from Germany

Oh no, Mariah only a singer or songwriter. No way. What a terrible thought. Mariah was born to sing with that talent. Her voice made so many people happy around the world and still does.

(Tuesday 7 March 2023; 14:55)


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The real reason for no respect (102,303) by Steven Berning from USA

But to be honest, we are so lucky to have you speak to us on behalf of "the public". Especially, the public that includes Christina. Thank you Lamb.
(Tuesday 7 March 2023; 09:16)


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Manifesting (102,302) by Edward from United States

I honestly want Mariah to work with Pinkpantheress or Icespice or both at the same time.

(Tuesday 7 March 2023; 07:48)

Die For You (102,301) by Nicole from US

Have You Ever with Usher would have been a great follow up to TGIFY. Usher was hot that time too.
(Tuesday 7 March 2023; 01:07)


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Die For You (102,300) by Norman from USA

With this recent remix by The Weeknd feat Ariana debuting at #1 this, it got me thinking about a past single that never really got a shot but should have been a single (not necessarily talking about Migrate). Which song do you think would be a good idea to release as a remix, and with whom? I think the feature would really have to stand out for the song to at least be top 10. There's obviously a lot of material to choose from, but I can't say I have one that stands out - maybe Obsessed? Melt Away? #Beautiful? What do you guys think?

(Monday 6 March 2023; 22:50)

The real reason for no respect (102,299) by Bobby A from United States

Just my opinion in what I am about to say. MC is probably headed for retirement within the next 2 years. Vocally, she can't support her career without a major tour and we know her voice is not there anymore. Mentally, I feel she has had enough of record label politics and the music industry in general. What I would say to MC today is announce your farewell album and one more time 16-show U.S. tour and an 8-show European and Asia tour for 2024. By the way, aren't artists obligated to release a certain number of albums during their contract period? MC must have fulfilled her obligations to Epic with Caution because she should have released a new album in 2022 if she signed a new contract. Seems to me that MC is without a major label first time in her career.
(Monday 6 March 2023; 22:32)


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Off topic (102,298) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway

I have been in a whirlwind the last few years. As Mariah, I also have bipolar decease, and I can assure you all, Mariah's fluctuation in weight is all because of the medication. Sometimes you need less medication, then the weight goes off, sometimes you need more medication, and the kilograms just comes piling on. You can't control it, because your appetite is just getting larger, it's a roller coaster you can't get off.

Anyways, I have a masters degree in psychology, wanted a phd, but my struggles with bipolar decease hindered that, I had to take a break. All through my life Mariah's live performance of "Make It Happen" from Madison Square Garden made me want to push forward, it is by far the most important song in my life, and it is performed by the most important artist in my life, Mariah Carey.

Three years ago, I had to start over, move back to my home town, make new friends, new connections, and attended a school for people who are not ready for more education or to start working. I have attended that school for almost three years now, and today was my last day. Tomorrow I will start as a therapist for people with mental disorders and drug abuse. Mariah, besides my mom and friends, has been very important to me in this process, and lately, another song, a live performance, has become the soundtrack to my life, my days, in the struggles and happiness I have experienced the last few weeks.

This live performance has been on and off YouTube, it is "Can't Take That Away" from VH1 Divas Live 2000. I have the whole concert on VHS, but I don't have a VHS-player anymore. The concert, over 20 years old, on a VHS cassette, lies there as a treasure.

Mariah has a few power performances, and this performance shows her emotion, craftmanship, excellence. Even though her voice was not at her peak, she outsings most of the music world. That song has become my new "Make It Happen", though I listen to both songs almost daily. Ok, take a listen, it's Mariah at her best, she's absolutely beautiful, I could listen to this on repeat all day, enjoy.

PS: When the choir sings "there's" and "a light", at the last chorus, my tears come out, why didn't Mariah include that on the studio version, absolutly beautiful.

(Monday 6 March 2023; 21:36)

Brenda K Starr (102,297) by Jamie from UK

I just watched a virtual interview with Brenda K Starr from 2021, it was great to see her be so lovely and complementary about Mariah. It was nice to see how much she does actually care about Mariah although they have fallen out at times. She has nothing but praise for Mariah and wishes her well in all she does. I think it must be hard when you have been that close to someone and they are propelled into super stardom, as the artist doesn't always have control over their life.
(Monday 6 March 2023; 21:06)

Viral song (102,296) by Edward from United States

If I could pick a mc song that I want to go viral it would be Underneath The Stars.

(Monday 6 March 2023; 20:49)

Vocal nodules (102,295) by Edward from United States

Do you guys think Mariah should get her vocal nodules removed and do you think it would benefit her?

(Monday 6 March 2023; 20:43)

The real reason for no respect (102,294) by Edward from USA

Mariah was a natural born singer. Before she could even write anything, she was already correcting or emulating her mother, sometimes even leaving her speechless. She developed into a great lyricist, but she loved being showy like the rest of them when the opportunity presented itself. She was nervous during that performance you mentioned, but she was also very young and basically thrown into this gargantuan fame that could've swallowed anyone alive easily. Mariah was showy countless times on Arsenio Hall while singing Emotions, Vanishing, Vision of Love. She gave the best rendition of Vision of Love on Good Morning America, impeccable, surreal. About her nuances, well, that's what really put her in a league of her own, she wasn't just a singer that could blow, but a singer that could paint beautiful songs with her voice and artistry, what she sung came from her soul rather than somebody else's. I've always loved Whitney, her powerful vocals were unmatched, but Mariah's voice spoke to my soul and the souls of millions of people. When her instrument was in its prime, it was untouchable. I can't imagine Whitney, Chaka or Patti singing "Music Box", "Underneath The Stars", "Melt Away", "Fourth of July", no because they couldn't, but because their artistry wasn't at that level. When Mariah started losing her voice, she's started pushing her writing abilities to the front, it was evident she knew what was happening to her. It is sad, but in my humble opinion, the quality of her voice has always been directly proportional to the quality of her lyrics. When she was in her prime vocally, her lyrics were more poetic, balanced, beautiful, mature, but as the voice started deteriorating, her pen game also changed for the worse.
(Monday 6 March 2023; 18:36)


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Tommy forced her to sing? (102,293) by Chicago Lamb from USA

All Mariah ever wanted was to be a singer. The genesis of her song writing capability is that she wanted to sing her own songs, not someone else's. Singer/songwriter. She wasn't forced to sing. Her dreams came true with Tommy, he believed in her talent and she believed him. That is until she found him possessive and controlling, but then she was too deeply entangled. Too young to navigate her own voice in their personal relationship. Nobody ever talks about/speculates the songs that may have been written about Tommy from the first 3 albums. When she loved him.

(Monday 6 March 2023; 13:32)


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The real reason for no respect (102,292) by Stacey from USA

I always enjoy your posts and agree with them 99% of the time. In this case I'm glad Tommy forced her to sing. Her voice is one of a kind and deserved to be heard.

(Monday 6 March 2023; 04:47)


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