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Re: What if that's just Mariah? (100,554) (100,555) by Mò from South Africa Bill I am with you, and what we are saying is not being negative. As a matter of fact I am the least negative person. I have been teased for years by people for seeing good even if there isn't. I believe feedback is a gift. A part of me had hoped Mariah with all the time she had before the big day she would have crafted a powerful speech (no gimmicks). She has always wanted to cement her place as a respected songwriter. This was her big moment and also a big moment for everyone globally who have rallied behind her. (Wednesday 22 June 2022; 20:56)

Re: What if that's just Mariah? (100,551) (100,554) by Bill from the UK I don't think anybody is advocating for a return of the acceptance speeches of old when she thanked God, Tommy, and walked off the stage. Post-Tommy Mariah is capable of some amazing speeches. None of the "Day Ones" as you call them would criticise the Billboard "for the fans" speech, that was brilliant. Probably the best she ever did. That award meant so much to her. Mariah is one of only 33 women to be inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame, and she has long fought to be recognised for her excellent songwriting (Crapfinity aside of course). We're not asking for a mumbled God and Tommy 1991 speech, but a well structured, rehearsed, planned out speech that would commemorate such a momentous occasion in her career. Not rambling about bad lighting, spitting on JD, and barely being able to string a sentence together and, by her own admission during the speech, going off on tangents. (Wednesday 22 June 2022; 19:33)

Re: What if that's just Mariah? (100,551) (100,553) by Jamie from UK I disagree, Mariah has always been eccentric, us day oners remember her playing around in videos such as AYNAF remix vid. Even the AIWFCIY video she's playing around. I don't accept that she was merely acting back then. Yes maybe some of her at home moments on her home videos might have been staged but she was still together and down to earth, and when she played around it was in context to the moment and you didn't think "What is she doing?" Tommy could dress her how he wanted but you can't hide your natural personality for that long. She had grace, composure and a coolness that you simply can't act out. I don't think it's a case of us day oners disrespecting her now, we are still fans and wouldn't be on this forum if we weren't, we can just see a huge change in her and simply don't think it's for the better. Do I dislike her now? No not at all. But I just think the composed Mariah who I knew was a better version of herself, who the public liked and someone who people could relate to. I accept people change, I've changed myself gradually over the years but I've not had a complete personality change. Mariah still has that wow factor and a huge legacy behind her, I just think with the right people, the right look and if she dropped the diva/erratic behaviour act people could warm to her again and even if she never wrote or sang another song again she'd bow out gracefully and with dignity or if she chose to write and sing quality music she could gain new respect. Old lambs and newer lambs have a common connection we all want what's best for Mariah, and why wouldn't we. I just think us oldies find it difficult watching YouTube, one minute you're watching CLG then ID comes on and she's in a car in lace underwear and you're thinking what the hell happened? (Wednesday 22 June 2022; 19:14)

"Boy (I Need You) (Remix)" (100,552) by Billy from Greece I know "Boy" is probably one of the least favorite songs on Mariah's catalog. I never had an issue with it, especially within the context of "Charmbracelet", but the official remix (found on the single) is actually way hotter. No re-sung vocals, but the beat and slight restructuring of the song take it a step further. I highly recommend it. (Wednesday 22 June 2022; 16:49)

Re: What if that's just Mariah? (100,514) (100,551) by Mirage_Nunez from America Thank you for this. I think some of the old school lambs on here have the tendency to catastrophize everything MC does that's a little unorthodox or eccentric. All the comments I've seen from the general public were giving MC her flowers and saying "well deserved". Some of us are just super hard on her nowadays, while everyone else seems to accept her as is.... human, endearing, and never use any faux pas to discredit her legacy. I understand the "day ones" have a different relationship with MC and many of the harsh criticism comes from a place of remembering yester-year when she was so prim and perfect acting all the time, but at this point we should all know Mariah is a boring one dimensional diva. She has a lot of personality, wit, and she lives for a moment. Let her have it, she's paid her dues and cemented her legacy. Can't anybody take that away from her. (Wednesday 22 June 2022; 16:13)

Re: Much Todo about not much (100,547) (100,550) by Anonymous from USA I do appreciate that Big Freedia's talents were put to good use at least. Love Big Freedia, MC should call him. (Wednesday 22 June 2022; 16:12)

Re: Much Todo about not much (100,547) (100,549) by SM from Citizen of the World I love her new song. It's Beyoncé, she will slay, wait for the video. (Wednesday 22 June 2022; 03:13)

Re: Much Todo about not much (100,547) (100,548) by Bobby A from United States She sings off key and goes flat during most of the song. (Wednesday 22 June 2022; 01:39)

Much Todo about not much (100,547) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Even the biggest Queen B fans I know are talking about how meh this new song is. Maybe if Whitney sang it? If only Whitney sang it. Where's the voice? Imagine if Mariah released this as a lead single? Gasp, many on this forum would be sleeping. Look at the song credits: Bey is stacked with influence for what's been years in the making. Bey will slay because the fans have been trained. (Wednesday 22 June 2022; 00:53)

Re: Expectations vs reality (100,542) (100,546) by Anonymous from USA I did not mean to make you feel bad. I'm sorry again. And Beyoncé's new song may have to grown on me, for now it's meh. I too am so ready for new music from our girl Mimi. I think we're all discouraged or disappointed if there's no new music, just a bunch of talk about it. (Wednesday 22 June 2022; 00:07)

Re: Bros and Pride (100,538) (100,545) by Todd from Melbourne, Australia Side note. The butt in the jeans on the left in the promo pic for Bros: 10 out of 10. (Tuesday 21 June 2022; 23:33)

Re: Expectations vs reality (100,543) (100,544) by Bobby A from United States Thank you, Libra. I have come to realize that MC is human and not as young as she used to be. (Tuesday 21 June 2022; 19:30)

Re: Expectations vs reality (100,542) (100,543) by Anonymous from USA I didn't meant to feel bad, I'm sorry. I think we have all just come to expect so much of MC that we forget that she's only human, like you and I. She just sings, writes, produces, etc much better that we can. We love you MC. I guess I will check out B's new song. If Mariah likes her, than I like her. Have a great day. (Tuesday 21 June 2022; 17:20)

Re: Expectations vs reality (100,541) (100,542) by Bobby A from United States Now, I really feel bad. I am going to stop being negative about my girl, MC. I guess I want new music already. But that Robin S. sample, Show Me Love that Beyonce used for her new song, took back to the club in 1992 only showing up to hear the sped up vocals of Dreamlover. I love you, MC. (Tuesday 21 June 2022; 11:58)

Re: Expectations vs reality (100,536) (100,541) by Anonymous from USA She posted that video in support of her friend Billy Eichner and the new movie Bros. I thought it was cute and didn't see anything wrong with it. Unless I missed something. She's got my attention and many others already, with or without fun videos. Let her have fun and be silly even if it's just for "attention". Sometimes I think she can't do anything right by some of you on this board. Also, she's plugging the Rainbow album because it's Pride month. Already got my Pride merch on her website. As far as Beyoncé, I'll take y'all's word for it. (Tuesday 21 June 2022; 05:34)

Re: Bros and Pride (100,538) (100,540) by Bobby A from United States Oh, I understand now, Marty. (Tuesday 21 June 2022; 03:13)

Great mash up (100,539) by Bill from the UK Stumbled upon this on YouTube. I know we've all been a bit negative lately, so maybe this will cheer everybody up and highlight MC's talent (and that of the fans). (Tuesday 21 June 2022; 00:12)

Bros and Pride (100,538) by Matty from Vancouver Canada It's literally and simply her supporting her friend Billy Eichner's new film "Bros" that comes out at the end of September. (Monday 20 June 2022; 22:09)

Re: BET Awards (100,535) (100,537) by Jamie from UK But aren't you also speculating by saying that she won't be doing anything. Who knows what is coming up? (Monday 20 June 2022; 21:41)

Re: Expectations vs reality (100,533) (100,536) by Bobby A from United States Have you seen MC's video today that she posted on Twitter with Heartbreaker playing in the background? Why does she make videos like this? It does nothing but make her seem like she is seeking attention. She doesn't have to worry about getting all the attention this week because Beyonce is going to snatch it at midnight for the rest of the week. Lol. (Monday 20 June 2022; 20:49)

BET Awards (100,535) by T from USA I'm already seeing rumors on twitter and other places that Mariah may perform at this years awards. Honestly, can people just stop speculating. Mariah will not be performing, she will not even be attending. This is how a lot of fans get let down. We will not see Mariah again in a promotional vein until Christmas. Let it go. (Monday 20 June 2022; 17:18)

Re: Songwriters speech (100,530) (100,534) by Steve from USA Guys. I mean she was very loose and conversational, but let's all settle down. She's not having some sort of breakdown or whatever is being insinuated in various posts. She seems completely fine and happy to me. Some of you are saying she's drunk too - is she? She doesn't seem drunk to me at all. Some of ya'll here just love to be negative. I've noticed the pessimistic slant of this particular message board for a while now. It's hard to read. (Monday 20 June 2022; 15:37)

Re: Expectations vs reality (100,528) (100,533) by T from USA You have to admit, she came close. (Monday 20 June 2022; 01:45)

Mental illness (100,532) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Just to clarify my perspective: because some of us may have a diagnosed with mental illness, does not make anyone one of us an expert. That's the thing about mental health: everyone's human experience is different; there's no single diagnosis. "We're all the same, for different reasons." (Sunday 19 June 2022; 22:07)

Re: Expectations vs reality (100,523) (100,531) by Jamie from UK I hope she is working with Patricia again, she looked fly in that era. We need another pink dress in time square moment. (Sunday 19 June 2022; 21:13)

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