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Re: Save the day (95,176) (95,183) by Bill from the UK I think airplay plays a massive part in chart placements on Billboard. So, if radio won't pick it up, it won't go anywhere. (Monday 24 August 2020; 20:17)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,178) (95,182) by amends from Germany Matthew, I have to say, I never even considered this and I love your perspective. (Monday 24 August 2020; 20:08)

Re: Sorry, new vocals only (STD) (95,177) (95,181) by Carlos Jaramillo from United States What happened to my entire comment? (Monday 24 August 2020; 20:06)

Re: Save The Day (95,169) (95,180) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I'm sorry but dismissing any criticism of Mariah's voice (regardless of validity) as hypocritical, especially in the context of "why aren't the others criticised as much" is oversimplifying things. It may just be because of preference or familiarity (or lack thereof), which are definitely different from hypocrisy. This isn't the best analogy out there, but it's like if you hypothetically have neglectful parents. It isn't right to hold back from being upset towards them just because you first have to take into account all the other parents in the world who are way worse than yours just so you're sure that you aren't being ungrateful or unfair to your own. Considering and comparing to every other artist out there, as ideal as that may seem, isn't a prerequisite to pointing out the flaws in one particular artist. We follow who we want to follow, and choose to critique them in comparison to whoever we want to compare them to based on our knowledge of them which also informs our feelings towards them. No matter how much we would want to draw parallels between artists and judge/criticise one over the other, they are still on different, unique journeys of their own. And if we're gonna go by your examples, Whitney's and Amy's drug addiction and other struggles have been constant tabloid fodder back then, back when Mariah was doing better than both of them. But of course no one was outwardly giving Mariah credit for having a better head on her shoulders than them because that's not how things work. The media fixates on the negative because that's what sells. In fact, both Amy and Whitney and their drug-crazed behavior have been parodied in more media than Mariah's antics. For example, both artists' struggles were incorporated as punchlines in past episodes of American Dad. So if we were to reverse your hypocrisy claim, it should be fair for fans of both artists to cry foul that Mariah's Glitter breakdown, alleged alcoholism or diva behavior aren't featured as cutaway gags on the same show as well. Also, Mariah is one of the few stars of her magnitude who continue to put themselves out there. Of course she's gonna attract more criticism than say, someone like Celine. Same with Madonna vs. Janet. The public will always, always be expecting more from someone who refuses to bow out of the spotlight. (Monday 24 August 2020; 19:58)

Sadly, criticism is the main order of the day (95,179) by Mò from South Africa Unfortunately Mariah's fans (ironic enough) generally have the most negative comments towards her. I doubt there will be anything good enough she puts out which will satisfy her fans. Her fans do a great job criticizing her than the general public. What the general public got from SDT was a creative, comfortably enjoying herself, asking for no permission to be herself. (Monday 24 August 2020; 19:51)

Another take on the voice (95,178) by Matthew from USA This is going to sound blasphemous, but I think it needs to be said. Longevity isn't everyone's primary goal. I know that sounds crazy. What could be more important than the longevity and preservation of one's gift, talent, and career? Well, I like to think of Mariah as an athlete. A vocal athlete, if you will. When we think of Michael Jordan, we don't lament the fact that he can't do what he used to do in his prime. We marvel at the fact that a human being could soar through the air like that. When we think of Usain Bolt, it won't be to shake our heads at how he can't run like he used to when he hits 50. Instead, we will shake our heads in wonder at how a human could run that many miles in under 3 seconds. I use athletes as my example, because for them, longevity is actually not the point. For some few, pushing and pushing themselves to achieve the extraordinary is more important. I realize that's controversial to say because it's been hammered into our heads that longevity is what we should aspire to above all. But for vocal athletes like Mariah and Dimash, I think it's not so much about whether they can keep doing what they do into their 50's and 60's. It's about pushing for the extraordinary, though it might spell disaster. So though I respect Mrs. Williams, when she goes on about Mariah doing too much and if she would have not be so extra she could have preserved her voice longer, she's correct, but she's also missing the meaning of Mariah Carey. When you watch these young kids on YouTube hearing Mariah for the first time and being completely boggled, you realize that her push for the extraordinary gave ended up giving her more longevity than trying to preserve her voice by holding back ever could. (Monday 24 August 2020; 19:26)

Sorry, new vocals only (STD) (95,177) by Carlos Jaramillo from United States I have actively been listening to Mariah since 1993. I have a PHD on Mariah’s voice. Lol. No but seriously, it’s literally the only music I listen to or own, except for an Christina Aguilera cd someone gave me. I am 100% sure. (Monday 24 August 2020; 18:47)

Save the day (95,176) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway I really want to like "Save the Day", and I listen to it repeatedly, but I'm still not a fan of it, I feel a bit ashamed really. Even though I'm not that big of a fan, I have routinely checked iTunes top 100, and the song has been in the top since it was released, and as a Mariah fan I hope the song will crack the Billboard Hot 100. What I'm curious about is, what does it take to get a song on Billboard Hot 100 these days? Will a stellar performance on iTunes top 100 be enough? Love. (Monday 24 August 2020; 18:30)

Re: Walter A. (95,145) (95,175) by Susana from USA That’s all I needed to hear Robert. You’re so considerate to apologize. Great to hear someone who can actually be self objective. (Monday 24 August 2020; 18:28)

The EP’s / The rarities (95,174) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) To be honest with you all, everything surrounding MC30 is not costing the label in money, this is MC's thank you to her fans. So there will not be any big budget events surrounding this project like an actual album release. Besides that the pandemic is very much alive, and well so I doubt MC has any plans to do much promoting besides from home. We should just be appreciative of this moment, and give thanks that MC decided to do this for us because she truly loves, and appreciates her fans. However I am sure that she has starting writing some fresh material during quarantine but I do not believe that she will be releasing another album of new material anytime soon. (Monday 24 August 2020; 14:56)

Deniece Williams (Lee and This is GHM) (95,173) by Randy from USA I was kind of surprised when Eric (webmaster) didn't post that story about Deniece Williams. Here's my thing, MC's voice started a massive decline in 1998 so it trips me out people keep talking about "30 years in the business". My issue isn't the vocal decline, it's the deceit. The singing on records highly engineered that she has no hope of replicating live and then using a backing track when she sings live. Sometimes even recording a raspy backing track so it's not so obvious. I love MC and yes Whitney and Amy had their own struggles but Whitney sang live all the time no matter how bad a shape her voice was. If you are paid to do a job, do it. Teachers are paid to teach. Police officers are paid to police. Singers are paid to sing. And MC is considered one of the all time greats. If you are interested in the Deniece Williams article you can view it here. (Monday 24 August 2020; 14:41)

Robert-Anthony / Walter A (95,172) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Fans need to accept that MC has no interest in rebuilding a friendship, nor a working relationship with Walter A. Randy Jackson tried to reconnect them during the MIAM era. Robert Anthony I understand that you, and many other fans would love to see them together again. However we should respect that MC has decided to move on, and for whatever reason is between them maybe she will talk about their musical partnership and what caused them to fall out, and grow apart in her memoir, and if she chooses not to we should respect that as well. Fans need to allow MC the freedom to create the art she chooses, and with whom she chooses. (Monday 24 August 2020; 14:38)

Re: Save The Day (95,169) (95,171) by Bill from the UK I'm not sure if you're talking about real critics, or people on this board, but personally I'm not a fan of Whitney and Amy, so I don't comment on them, nor did I ever read up on their personal struggles, though I knew about it. The troubles those two faced were much more public than anything Mariah has ever done. Like many here, we raise these issues because we were there at the beginning and have witnessed the decline and, due to our love for her, it concerns us. I want Mariah to be around for many, many years. I want her to keep making great songs and being the soundtrack to my life. If anything ever happened to her I would be heartbroken and devastated. We all would. (Monday 24 August 2020; 12:30)

Re: ABMB (95,163) (95,170) by Todd from Melbourne, Australia It's often played [here] too, but it's a song I've never really liked. Oh do I have to return my lamb card now? (Monday 24 August 2020; 12:26)

Re: Save The Day (95,167) (95,169) by Lee from USA My problem with this criticism is the hypocrisy in it. She deserved it. I mean, how are the critics complaining about Mariah's vocals and yet said nothing when Whitney and Amy Winehouse were killing themselves for years. There is no mention of Adele not releasing new music, but there is bellyaching about Mariah's every move. (Monday 24 August 2020; 11:11)

Re: Fourth of July (95,165) (95,168) by Billy from Greece Oh enwar, you're such a romantic. (Monday 24 August 2020; 10:37)

Re: Save The Day (95,146) (95,167) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I still feel like it's the nature of her voice more than anything. It's likely more fragile and more susceptible to lifestyle choices and uncontrollable factors such as aging. Some people have voices that will naturally withstand those factors better (Barbra, Patti, Coko from SWV, etc.). She is not one of them. Deniece Williams is unfortunately being dragged by many Lambs for simply telling the truth. Mariah did not take care of her voice when it counted the most and even now that irreparable damage has been done she seems to continue not to. It's really concerning how much worse it's gonna sound 5 years from now. (Monday 24 August 2020; 07:20)

Re: Save The Day (95,159) (95,166) by Bobby A from United States I just wonder if STD was CLG, would we be so hard on MC. I personally did not like CLG when it was released as the second single after Emotions. It is not one of my favorite MC songs. There is something about the slow melody that makes me want CLG to end quickly. Yes, I know it is 10 times better than STD or Crapfinity. Maybe TMOMC and The Rarities will help reunite Walter A. and MC for her next album in 2021. Who could bring them together at the same table? Babyface or Bryan Tanaka? Hoping a miracle happens because of MC opening the vault this year. (Monday 24 August 2020; 04:01)

Re: Fourth of July (95,161) (95,165) by enwar00 from usa Oh yes, that song is magical. One of my all time faves. Such a sweet, sweet song. I miss a good Mariah bridge. And I'll wait for a day when I can feel what I used to feel when I used to listen to that song. I understand that may never come, but who knows. (Monday 24 August 2020; 03:29)

Re: The Rarities new vocals only (95,160) (95,164) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Ah, it wasnt thst deep. It just stirred a memory. (Monday 24 August 2020; 03:26)

ABMB (95,163) by enwar00 from usa I turned on the radio in the car for the first time in a long time this morning, and Always Be My Baby was on. It was a cute moment. I definitely feel it's her most enduring song besides AIWFCIY. (Monday 24 August 2020; 03:17)

Tokyo concert (95,162) by Bobby A from United States I am watching the concert now. I bought it on eBay a few years ago. The DVD manufacturer is Immortal. Does anyone else have it on DVD? Her voice is amazing on the DVD. Just imagine how the re-mastered CD and Blu-ray will sound. We are in for a special treat Lambs. (Monday 24 August 2020; 01:01)

Fourth of July (95,161) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa I think I'm still holding out, waiting to feel the magic from this song in a real life experience. Like since day one, the feels of this song were so tangible and just slightly less abstract than Underneath The Stars for me (btw I am still and will always be utterly in love with that song as well). Like... every single millisecond of FOJ captured the whole essence of that the story she was telling. Also, I literally see colors when I hear it. Ughhhhhh I want this exact magic irl lol (Monday 24 August 2020; 00:04)

Re: The Rarities new vocals only (95,152) (95,160) by Bobby A from United States Ooops. I forgot about that. You love fact checking me Andrew. Lol. (Sunday 23 August 2020; 23:15)

Re: Save The Day (95,146) (95,159) by Will from England And just to add to the point about her voice, I think she only re-sang it so high, was to match how she originally wrote it. If she sings in her lower to mid registers (giving me life etc.) I think she will sound great, and leave the breathy voice behind/use it less regularly. But yes, between GTFO (which was mostly that register) to STD re-recording, her voice had changed once again, but it is interesting to notice that the chorus and the verses are almost two different voices. Watching a video analysis recently (taking it with a pinch of salt naturally), the commentator noticed she is now more comfortable using her mid-voice rather than the higher, breathy whisper register. I think she could have taken more time to adapt the song to her current voice rather than match it to whatever draft version she had from all those years ago. (Sunday 23 August 2020; 22:54)

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