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Re: The Irish Times and HIV (94,834) (94,846) by Edward from USA I couldn't agree with you more. Alison being HIV+ is irrelevant, I don't know why they keep doing it, maybe because nobody has ever been vocal about it on mainstream media. There are thousands of people who are born HIV+ and many others who gets it through many other means other than sex. I hope they stop doing that, but weirdly I only see that when they talk about her, I don't see it when they talk about any celebrity, maybe because they would be called out on it. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 21:22)

Re: Dreamteam (94,838) (94,845) by Bill from the UK Thank you. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 19:16)

Re: The Honest Vocal Coach (94,836) (94,844) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Love her and I am one of her subscribers. Such a unique character on YouTube. As a vocal coach, her critiques strike a nice balance between being too condescendingly critical and being too nice and safe. And she reacts to a wide variety of artists. She has dedicated every day of this week to Mariah in honor of her third decade in the business. She's just awesome. I also really like Nina Schofield, who is also a Mariah fan, although she's more of a musician and comments more on the production side of things. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 18:49)

Re: Triumphant (94,832) (94,843) by Bobby A from United States Why do my posts upset you so? You must have a thing for me. Why you so obsessed with me? Boy, I wanna know? Lol. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 17:51)

Re: The Irish Sun and HIV (94,834) (94,842) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Apologies, the publication is Irish Sun not Irish Times as I stated. I have filed a complaint for breach of editorial code with Irish Press Ombudsman. However, I would encourage anyone to write a simple letter to the editor of The Sun to express dismay, if you have it, at the irrelevant inclusion of Allison's HIV status in a negative way. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 16:11)

Re: Triumphant (94,823) (94,841) by Terna from Nigeria "Snoozebox". Haha. I cackled out loud. Sacrilege. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 16:07)

Re: Triumphant (94,823) (94,840) by Terna from Nigeria Yeah you're right about the Lambily ruining the moment. Lol. All I heard was how Mariah was singing the hook on her own song, so much so that Jermaine or Randy Jackson had to explain that every song is different and they all come in different ways in other words, different songs have different structure and that was just the way "Triumphant" came. You think Mariah didn't know that it might be perceived like that? However you don't mess up the creative process during songwriting trying to fit in a boxed idea of how a song should be. I loved the song with the first listen and still do today. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 16:02)

Re: Article: Should have been bigger: Mariah's "Triumphant (Get 'Em)" (94,819) (94,839) by Terna from Nigeria Jade, lol I didn't mean the acapella version that was just for Bill's reset of his detest for the song. Yeah the original version is what I was referring to is perfect for jump rope. Hehe. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 15:48)

Re: Dreamteam (94,829) (94,838) by MusicfanJ from Germany As always I agree with Bill. (By the way you look as likeable and smart as you write.) But back to MC, WBT part 3, 4, 5 please not. It's really boring. Something new and fresh would be way better. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 15:02)

Re: The Honest Vocal Coach (94,836) (94,837) by enwar00 from usa Georgina is awesome. I went down the rabbit hole some months ago. When she imitated Britney's baby voice, I died. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 14:33)

The Honest Vocal Coach (94,836) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Georgina is one of my favourite persons on the internet. Honesty in a charming way. And she's just the nicest person in the world. And a humongous Mariah Carey fan. Everyone should subscribe. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 14:22)

Re: Triumphant (94,827) (94,835) by Bill from the UK That's hard to believe. I doubt the record company would fund the music video, which was quite a spectacle, as well as hiring the two (count them, two) guest rappers for the song. Triumphant was originally the launch title for The Art of Letting Go. A Mariah Carey launch single is not paid from out of the petty cash tin. The moment radio, fans, and the general public ignored it (because it wasn't very good), it became a "buzz" single. In reality, Mariah was more than likely ordered back into the studio to re-work the album into Me I Am Mariah. Had Triumphant hit number one, the album would have followed. Would we discount it from her tally of number ones, as it was only written for her ill husband? I think not. Mariah is an artist like all others with hits and misses. I know, we're used to her usually being at the top end of the charts, so a flop single is particularly hard for some to come to terms with. But she is not infallible. Thankfully though her hits, currently, outweigh her missteps. You can't keep excusing these missteps as buzz singles, never intended to be a hit, etc. because it simply isn't true. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 14:10)

The Irish Times and HIV (94,834) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "Alison, who is estranged from her superstar sister, 50, once worked as a prostitute and is HIV positive." The Irish Times. Now this reeeeally pisses me off. Allison Carey is a mess which we all know and it does not need going into. But is her HIV status in the public interest? That's her personal medical information. I would strongly argue that it is not. But more incendiary than that possible gross affront to medical privacy is the purpose of the inclusion of the information. It is seemingly included to shame her and, in doing so, all persons living with HIV as if having HIV makes you of bad character. This is pretty disgusting. Shaming HIV positive people like this leads to a continuation of stigma which, in turn, reduces the amount of people getting tested for HIV which contributes to the spread of the virus, harming the health of more people that could be avoided. This is a really disgusting consequence of cheap, shock-tactic journalism. I intend to now write to The Irish Times to question them on their treatment of persons living with HIV and I urge everyone here to do the same. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 13:36)

Re: Dreamteam (94,828) (94,833) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Jesus wept. "Mariah is the studio with JD" must be one of the most soul-destroying sentences to a Mariah Carey fan. This is part of Mariah's problem. She will never, ever be musically successful again unless she changes her sound and drops deadbeat has-been's like J "y'all know what this is - cos it's the same song we made two years ago" D. So, I actually agree with Bill's tongue-in-cheek quoting of Brandon. Yes, we make fun of the repeated messages but B's sentiments were justified: why not make sonethibfmmnf aiundibg fresh and relevant? Why not work with Bruno Mars and The Smeezingtons? At least Mariah would make something different for once. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 13:20)

Re: Triumphant (94,827) (94,832) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "Triumphant was the song MC never really saw as having a potential to be a hit song but her way of supporting her husband during his illness." Okay, let's do it this way: please provide links to the evidence that Mariah did not believe Triumphant would be successful but released it anyway to please her husband. Just one link to Mariah being quoted as having said words to this effect and I won't call you a liar. See, this is the problem. You delulons aren't just delusional, you actually make stuff up. You lie. And it runs deep - even into "predictions" which are not "predictions" based upon any evidentiary support, but just random guesswork based upon nothing. Again. And again. And again. Why does it bother me so much? Because lies designed to make the delulons fragile world a little more comfortable and safe deny respectable and intelligent people the truth. And truth, above all things must be understood, uttered, and protected from corruption. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 13:11)

Sister dearest (94,831) by Tijl from Belgium Undoubtedly pure tabloid fantasy, but this article and the underlying accusations [will] once again put Mariah in a bad light at a time when she started to redeem herself. Is this pure coincidence with Mariah's memoirs due next month or shrewd timing of Alison and her legal advisors? (Thursday 6 August 2020; 12:48)

Re: Dreamteam (94,829) (94,830) by Will from Australia Second that. I'd rather she worked with someone I don't even know of than JD. "I Don't" was the final nail in that creative coffin. Kyro is doing great things for the older divas, Whitney and Tina, call him in for something. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 12:10)

Re: Dreamteam (94,828) (94,829) by Bill from the UK Please no. There's been enough WBT rehashes between 2005 and now to last a lifetime. Kick out JD from the studio and bring in someone fresh like Bruno Mars or the Smeezingtons. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 11:15)

Re: Dreamteam (94,807) (94,828) by Bobby A from United States So, MC is back in the studio with JD. I think it is a good idea for her to rekindled that WBT magic with JD and Johnta. We are long overdue for a WBT follow-up. She did it with The Roof and Lullaby. DFAU was not a true follow-up to WBT nor was ISIL. I hope she keeps working on the new album through April of next year. I want her to get it right with the best follow-up to Caution. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 04:14)

Re: Triumphant (94,826) (94,827) by Bobby A from United States You all have forgotten who MC wrote Triumphant for. Remember she wrote it for Nick when he got really sick and found out he had an auto-immune deficiency disease. So, Triumphant was the song MC never really saw as having a potential to be a hit song but her way of supporting her husband during his illness. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 04:06)

Re: Triumphant (94,817) (94,826) by TheWind from England Just to be clear, it wasn't even an era, that's how out of touch it was with Mariah's fan base, as well as the general public. If Mariah fans were the problem, what was the issue with the general public, were they somehow deluded as well? Triumphant was garbage. It sounded like it was recorded through a cheese grater. If that's your introduction to Mariah, and let's say, the bar in terms of excellence for you, then I feel for you. There is a back catalog of B sides that Triumphant can't even hang with. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 22:57)

Re: Triumphant (94,820) (94,825) by TheWind from England Finger snap, and twirl in agreement. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 22:51)

MC30 (94,824) by Will from Australia The more I think about it the more I reckon we're not going to get all that we hoped for with MC30 like the demo tape etc If she gave it all up now, she'd have nothing to commemorate each albums major anniversary or even to grow her estate when she's gone for Roc & Roe. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 22:45)

Re: Triumphant (94,820) (94,823) by We are lambily from USA Randy, [there] is a difference between not feeling her songs and just posting hateful stuff every time she releases something. Back to [Triumphant], that's why she gave us her best remixes since [TEOM], she put a lot of work into her music. Sorry but don't put [Butterfly] next to [Snoozebox] and [Daydream] with all of its skips. But yes I do believe Faded, Ydkwtd, [#Beautiful] etc hold its own against her previous work. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 22:06)

Re: Dreamteam (94,810) (94,822) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Okay, it's not like we needed any confirmation, but this string of comments just solidifies whatever feelings you have about Walter. Where the hell is this hostility coming from? It's making you look worse than the person you criticize so much. Hilariously so. 1) I'm not too fond of the guy either, but I can't deny that at least half of the material he and Mariah created has become an undeniable part of the foundation upon which she has built her legendary career and partly owes her longevity from. Despite not exactly being one of them, I can understand why many fans out here would like the two to work again. So purposely inserting an unnecessary Walter diss in a post that didn't warrant such comparison at all doesn't really put you in a positive light now, does it? 2) Apples and oranges. It's very difficult to objectively compare two producers who have distinctly different production styles and sounds, are powerhouses in their respective genres, and who both were instrumental in the success of many artists, albums and chart topping hits. Most of us here have actually consciously experienced the 90's, which is why we know that Walter has definitely produced a lot of stuff for other artists, including a little song called My Heart Will Go On, which you might have heard of. You remembering the Mariah ones only likely means you're a fan whose dislike for Walter has prevented you from listening to other memorable songs from him. And just so you know, the guy who was a crucial part of Mariah's 2005 comeback is the same Jermaine Dupri who, just a year after, was blamed by many for killing any chance of Janet Jackson ever recovering from Nipplegate (the public still loved her despite the blacklisting, but it's the uninspired music he produced for his girlfriend that was the final nail in the coffin). Outside of Mariah's singles, Walter mostly produced obscure album cuts for other artists, while JD was responsible for more charting hits, although that could largely be attributed to the perfect timing of his arrival into the scene (when R&B and urban pop were king) rather than him being the "better" producer. And of course you're gonna hear more about JD than you do of Walter post-2000. Adult contemporary pop, which is the latter's forte, hasn't exactly been popular for over 2 decades now. 3) You are obviously (or at least come across as) a young, new lamb who hasn't really lived through Mariah's creative, commercial and critical highs and lows during the 1990's and 2000's. Usually I'mma let Andrew, Bill or the webmaster put you in your place, but I'm gonna break character for a sec to give you a tip - when a large majority of the Lambily says that something like Triumphant is underwhelming, then you, relatively new blood, should be wise enough to listen and learn. The Lambily cannot be wrong, so no, we did not ruin Truimphant for Mariah. The song was as fresh as week-old unsold fish when it dropped. I'm appreciative of and grateful for how the strength of Mariah's catalog still has the power to attract younger fans, but whatever great new material she has come up with since 2010 are always built upon the sheer brilliance of her older work, only with a more modern twist, less timeless crossover appeal and less stellar vocals. I don't think you've actually revealed how old you are, and I don't really equate age with maturity, but wow do your posts really give you away most times. Call me judgmental, but the frequent sweeping declarations and the brazen disregard for facts does remind me of the die-hard Ariana stans I see every now and then in various comments sections who think she's better than Mariah despite the overwhelming orgy of evidence that says otherwise. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 21:45)

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