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NBA Player (110,800) by Lambi from USA
I'm reading the memoir, and she's talking about her love story with Nick: "We talked about life and music. I just wanted to be around him. Once, I even left a date with a very handsome and legendary basketball player to ride in the car with Nick so he could be the first to listen to my newest album, E=MC²."

My fellow lambily sleuths, who was this handsome and legendary basketball player? And why the hell didn't he try harder? Why did Mariah pass him up? Love could've turned out so much better for MC.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 11:57)
MC the GOAT (110,799) by Lambi from USA
Now nobody cares. They're handing out Grammys to anyone. It barely means anything anymore. It's just fun to connect the dots and realize how psychotic Tommy could be when going through a divorce. I fully believe he played a part in her public humiliation. He was flexing his power. You're right though, it actually just backfired. Mariah just hated him even more. It's kind of like when a parent does something to discipline their kid but didn't realize they over did it so now their child hates them forever.

Mariah has said it always hurt her that they didn't push Butterfly because she really put her heart and soul into it. She also talked about funding a lot of Rainbow herself, and probably losing money on tour. People forget that while the label writes the check, artists usually pay for everything in the end. Video shoots, promo, tour support, those costs get recouped from the artist's own earnings. So yes, technically Columbia paid, but in reality, Mariah paid.

She lost revenue. She was already covering a lot herself, and after Daydream, her budget shrank. That's fair, she didn't have big hip-hop hits yet. Still, I'd defend Breakdown any day. It should be an R&B classic like Say My Name. Sony kept investing, but not hard. They pushed her just enough to meet the contract because all the producers, writers, engineers, PR still had to be paid. Just not prioritized.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 10:41)
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Article: Mariah Carey unveils "Here for It All" track list (110,798) by Zachariah from Croatia
Agreed. What is going to be her next move? Call me crazy but I feel like these past two months are so long like two years.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 09:01)
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MC the GOAT (110,797) by Bill from the UK
I think we all agree Mariah deserved some acknowledgement that night, due to it being the pinnacle of her career. But there's no point us still being bitter about a 30 year old event and still blaming Tommy, who had nothing to do with how that night unfolded. All it did was make Mariah realise she didn't need him.

Mariah was still supported massively by Sony during the separation and after the divorce. I mean look at the budget the Heartbreaker video had. The videos, the tours, the non-stop global promotion. The issue was Mariah moved away from the adult contemporary audience that she curated during the beginning of her career, so her sales dipped, and she blamed the label (like Michael Jackson did). Rainbow was not Daydream. Invincible was not Thriller.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 08:17)
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TEOM vs TEOM (110,796) by Bobby A from United States
I just figured this out. The Emancipation of Mimi album title has the same letters as The Era Of Mi. MC doesn't name her albums without some meaning behind it and she has never named her own era. We usually name her eras for her. MC has never had an album title/era with two different titles. What personal statement or meaning is MC trying to emphasize? Could MC be sending a message to Taylor Swift or the Swifties that a new era has started.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 04:25)
Article: Mariah Carey unveils "Here for It All" track list (110,795) by Bobby A from United States
Okay, you got me again, Edward. I do think Sugar Sweet didn't have an official impact date, but just made it onto some radio stations playlist somehow. You're so right about no video being a smart business decision.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 01:23)
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Article: Mariah Carey unveils "Here for It All" track list (110,794) by Edward from USA
I don't think it has anything to do with that. Why would they release "Sugar Sweet" as her second single and not send it to radio? Of course it was sent. The truth is, "Sugar Sweet" just didn't gain much traction. Not releasing a video was actually a smart move from a business standpoint.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 01:12)
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One long month (110,793) by Bobby A from United States
I know how you feel Jamie. A month go I was disappointed with the album rollout after Type Dangerous fell off the Hot 100. When Sugar Sweet was released and there was absolutely no promotion, I felt HFIA was going to be lost among the other album dropping in September. However, all of that has changed now since the tracklist dropped yesterday. I feel this is the one Mariah Carey album in a while that will have people talking because non Lambs will have 1-2 favorite songs that will make them purchase Here For It All. I just feel this album will be MC's most cherished and embraced album since TEOM. And yes that's my Bianca alter ego on X giving MC this same love. I said it there first.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 00:59)
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Power 106 radio interview (110,792) by Giovanni from USA
Does anyone know when the interview will be available to watch? It's not posted anywhere. Look like a fun interview unlike some of the ones I've seen. I was shocked Mariah did not have her sunglasses for once haha.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 00:57)
The tracklist (110,791) by Randy from USA
Hate to not be my normal "negative" self; but the tracklist has me excited. It sounds interesting. I hope she kept the vocals simple and I'll be able to understand the lyrics. This will also be the first MC album I won't have on CD. I threw out my CDs and my shelf system last month.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 00:53)
Sugar Sweet solo version (110,790) by Giovanni from USA
This is what I wanted from the start. It's a good song and it could have been the song of the Summer if Mariah had another verse and a video ready to go. I realize now in order for a song to be a hit fans need to stream but a video doesn't hurt. I still like watching new music videos. I don't know what Mariah and her team were thinking with "Sugar sweet" because it could have been a hit.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 00:50)
Article: Mariah Carey unveils "Here for It All" track list (110,789) by Bobby A from United States
Well, I was almost on to the correct reason as to why there is no Shenseaa and Khelani on the tracklisting. MC released the tracklist yesterday for an alternate tracklist for those Lambs who purchase physical copies on a new pre-save Linktree link to receive a solo version of Sugar Sweet. This is why it was never officially sent to radio and no video was made. I like how there will be opportunities to purchase different variations of the album.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 00:31)
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MC the GOAT (110,788) by Lambi from USA
"Biggest label asset." I thought that too. But that argument starts to fall apart after 1997. You can be the biggest talent in the room and it still won't matter if you cross the wrong man. And that man was Tommy. The CEO. Once personal lines were crossed, the machine turned on her. From that point on, neither numbers nor talent could protect her.

I get that the Grammys have always followed a certain playbook. They tend to snub mainstream pop acts in favor of what they see as more "serious" or "artistic" choices. But let's be honest. She deserved at least one win. Pop Vocal Performance, bare minimum. There was no competition. Her going home empty-handed wasn't just a miss, it was wrong. And it will always be unjustified. When something feels that personal in a business this political, it probably is.

Just look at the timeline. The Grammys happened in February 1996. Then the Always Be My Baby remix dropped in March 1996. These signals to us that Mariah had just been made freshly aware, by Da Brat, that none of this was okay. We should be able to get french fries. She was at peak resentment, like a teenager pushing against the walls, desperate for freedom.

And we shouldn't pretend the Grammy voting is made up of respected musicians either. It's insiders. Industry people. Moguls and their friends. Most likely interconnected with the same people who were at that dinner where Mottola canceled Thanksgiving. And if he had the power to cancel an entire holiday, do you really think he couldn't tug a few in voting board?

By the way, there's no direct quote from Mariah confirming that Mottola promised her Grammy wins or that she changed outfits for each award she expected to win, either. This is rather the one, that's a complete nonsense.

I would argue that the humbling and derailment of Mariah began as early as Tommy's extra psychotic episodes pre-divorce. The machine didn't wait for her to spiral. It moved the moment she showed signs of no longer being manageable. His message was clear: "I have power here, you don't. Do you want Grammys? Stick around then."
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 23:40)
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Article: Mariah Carey unveils "Here for It All" track list (110,787) by Bobby A from United States
This is interesting what Gamma and MC are doing for the Asia market. I hope several hot remixes are planned for Play This Song, Mi, and Confetti and Champagne. I just feel one of those songs will go viral in October and everyone will be singing it this fall.
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 22:51)
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"Mirage" (110,786) by jaker20 from US
Many attribute Mariah's comeback to TEOM era, so they are constantly looking for that WBT to repeat. Because it's really Charmbracelet and I Know What You Want, before the TEOM era, that got her out of the Glitter funk. It's not a big success but I don't think TEOM would have happened without it.

So I think it's going to take a couple of tries for Mariah to have a big comeback again, if it's ever going to happen, maybe it's too late, who knows. But it is the Mariah situation. People don't know her anymore other than as a Christmas lady.

Cher's Believe didn't happen suddenly either. Heart of Stone, Love Hurts paved the way.

Right now, I just want this album to be good, and to keep making good music.
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 21:26)
Unexpected allies (110,785) by jaker20 from US
Sure that sounds just like a sweet sweet fantasy baby, when I close my eyes, and everybody loves each other.

That's also not real. I can be sanctimonious and say, well not me, but it's a nasty industry full of fake and backstabbing people thrives, and fans are just as bad.

Mariah and Madonna fans have been going at each other since the 90s. That kind of died down a bit, but it's still there there.

On social media, biggest Mariah haters are either Madonna or JLo fans. But during the last few years, Swifties are going up the ladder. JLo fans is understandable considering the history.

But there's the love for music. And there's also the success claims, and shooting for the standard and that's Mariah. And if you don't see it then congrats I guess.
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 21:11)
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#Beautiful video (110,784) by Terna from Nigeria
Sorry, I beg to differ. #Beautiful video is perfect the way it is. It's not even that kinda song that requires a "story to be told", not every song is like that, nor requires a "deep" video. It's all about variety and matching the visuals with the vibe a lyrndics of the song. Now "Always be my baby" had a little story in there, but honestly I always thought it matched "Underneath the stars" lyrically.
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 20:24)
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One long month (110,783) by Bobby A from United States
Sabrina's one single is her special Spotify deal to be the featured song on their official Songs of Summer 2025 list. Releasing a second single would have ruined streaming numbers for Manchild. It should have been a deal for MC and Type Dangerous. Anyway, Type Dangerous was the song of summer on the Urban AC chart. Right?
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 19:46)
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One long month (110,782) by Edward from USA
Jamie, stop being a glutton. If she keeps dropping new stuff now, we'll have nothing left by September 26. I know the wait is brutal, but hang in there. Besides, rumor has it there's a Mariah-only version of Sugar Sweet.
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 19:09)
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One long month (110,781) by Jamie from UK
I'm not complaining, just stating a fact and how if feel.
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 18:55)
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Dating Tupac (110,780) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
I mean it wasn't a big stretch because the interviewer did say if her and Tupac dated they would be the biggest power couple and she does agree hahah.
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 18:43)
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Article: Mariah Carey unveils "Here for It All" track list (110,779) by Tevin from USA
Will that song be on the standard edition? If it is, doesn't Japan always get an extra song? If so, wouldn't that give the album 13 songs? Isn't Mariah superstitious?
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 18:20)
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Sugar Sweet solo (110,778) by T from USA
The Japanese track list confirms that it is a solo version of Sugar Sweet as they also included the bonus track with the girls as the remix. This is on the physical copies of the album so go and order the vinyl and CD if you want a Mariah only version of the song.
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 17:49)
One long month (110,777) by Shezz from Pk
Definitely started the era one month too early. I think a lot has to do with all the international randomly scattered tour dates that are not even for the album. She probably signed on to them much before she knew her album would be ready this year. It is what it is. Some other artists have even longer spans. Sabrina Carpenter's 2 month time is perfect. She didn't even have to put out another single.
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 17:31)
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MC the GOAT (110,776) by Bill from the UK
That's nonsense. Show me the evidence Tommy infiltrated the Grammys to sabotage his then-wife and biggest label asset. That's right, there isn't any. In fact, both Tommy and Mariah were furious as Tommy had assured her she would clean up, to the extent he arranged for her to wear a different dress/outfit for when she collected each award. Mariah was shunned because 1) the competition was genuinely tough that year and 2) the industry felt Mariah got a lot of special treatment and wanted to prove Tommy couldn't always get what he wanted. It worked both ways; after she left Sony he used all his influence to derail her career. Whilst at Sony he did everything he could to make her a success.
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 17:18)
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