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Re: She doesn't lip-sync (99,612) (99,617) by Terna from Nigeria That process can also be used for audio production as well. I believe that there is an MTV Unplugged audio CD, if I recall correctly that sounds studio polished and even got "I'll be there" released from it. Same process different facets. (Thursday 3 February 2022; 12:54)

Re: No (99,615) (99,616) by Bobby A from United States MC is going to come back hard this year and have all of us jumping for joy. Just wait and see. My predictions are out there on Twitter. (Thursday 3 February 2022; 11:22)

No (99,615) by Edward from USA I'm not saying Mariah never sung a wonderful performance live, she did, many many many times, but the bulk of official performances were definitely doctored. Let's not fool ourselves here. (Thursday 3 February 2022; 03:16)

Re: Nick Cannon (99,613) (99,614) by Stacey from USA 100%. Seriously we jump on Nick for having all these kids. Righty so. But let's not forget it takes two to have a baby. What are these girls thinking? (Thursday 3 February 2022; 02:20)

Re: Nick Cannon (99,611) (99,613) by RibbonB from USA Let's hope these mothers aren't nut cases. He promises financial support and that seems to be what the last few wanted. Again, why have a child and unprotected sex with a man that you know is not with you? Stupid IMO. (Thursday 3 February 2022; 01:39)

She doesn't lip-sync (99,612) by Edward from USA Dubbing, mixing or re-recording, is a post-production process used in filmmaking and video production in which additional or supplementary recordings are lip-synced and "mixed" with original production sound to create the finished product. (At Madisson Square Garden.) Mariah is very well known for dubbing, mixing or re-recording all her video performances. To the point where she actually might have sung live at certain events, but then magically we have these perfect vocals that came out of nowhere. I've been to at least three of those video performances and can tell the differences, and no, they never took one whole take, they pick and patched the performance together, and sometimes very little of what was sung live that day. I was present six row when she sang "With You I'm Born Again", and that performance I can say for sure it was 100% live, and she sung it three times, no to take necessarily the best parts, but because they wanted different camera angles to make the performance more interesting. When Mariah performed the Star Spangle Banner at the Super Bowl, she would've gotten away with it being live, had she not lipped out of sync the the last word. It was so evident, and that gave her up. That performance was very quickly fixed and now we have it synched, but if you look closely, you can still see it. So, the blindest person is that who doesn't want to see. (Wednesday 2 February 2022; 23:33)

Re: Nick Cannon (99,608) (99,611) by Littal from USA I'm sure he is promising to take care of the women and the children. He probably actually believes it But you just can't do it. You can't be present as a father. And the kids and the women suffer. Another generation with attachment struggles. Best case a series of men step up as step dads, grandfathers, uncles and do what Nick can't. Let's hope those string men exist for each of these young people. (Wednesday 2 February 2022; 23:26)

Re: Mariah and Celine (99,609) (99,610) by Bill from the UK Sorry, but those clips you posted are not one take wonders. Don't get het up over it, there are plenty of amazing one take performances 1990-1995 you can choose. Just look at If It's Over at SNL/Grammy's, the Tattoo Club performances, even the raw and original Unplugged sounds good. Her TOTP performances in the early 90s were all live, as the show insisted upon it, and they were all great. I even love the entire-octave-lower Emotions performance where she was incredibly ill (as per her interview on Lorraine the following day). So yeh you're wrong but don't worry about it my love. (Wednesday 2 February 2022; 21:06)

Re: Mariah and Celine (99,597) (99,609) by Terna from Nigeria What are you saying sorry for? You didn't hit any point. Dubbed and pre-recorded are two different things. Dubbed refers to the music production and getting the recording up to par, for a professional sound where it can be released on a compilation record or for digital downloads. Pre-recorded leans more towards lip syncing. The clips I posted, Mariah is singing live and in one take (and if you cannot tell by now, you [sic] an OG Lamb oh well) which was my original point. The girl can sang [sic], especially live, in one take, if need be without rehearsal (Aretha Divas duet ) point blank period. (Wednesday 2 February 2022; 19:53)

Re: Nick Cannon (99,604) (99,608) by RibbonB from USA Or it's about dumb opportunistic women willing to drop a baby for a pension or something. I get the first two moms. One your wife with twins, the second a friend/gf having a baby five years after the twins with another baby 4 years after that. But why would the third mother deliberately have children with a man who publicly says he's not committed with no plans to be, but willing to have kids? And poor Zen's mother, knowing he is having his sixth, weeks before her own. This last one, with a baby on the way, really takes the cake. Just finalized divorce with no kids. Why sign on to bear an 8th child for a serial seed spreader? These last few mothers are more alarming as they knew they were signing up to be single mothers. The pill still exists and so does sexually transmitted diseases, but they seem to be waiting in line. He should have a vasectomy, but these women need to have more respect for their wombs as babies should not be meal tickets, or accessories. (Wednesday 2 February 2022; 18:59)

Re: Mariah and Celine (99,597) (99,607) by Stacey from USA Visually all the performances were great. Technically? Even I can't keep a straight face saying all those performances were live. I like both Mariah and Celine for different reasons. Why does it always have to be a competition when discussing the two artists? (Wednesday 2 February 2022; 16:06)

Re: Nick Cannon (99,604) (99,606) by Bobby A from United States Mariah said in Faded "Always somewhere, but not there for me." She recognized that something was going on with Nick during their marriage that he couldn't stay at home and be a true husband. He has the papa was a rolling stone syndrome. He is probably bipolar as well. (Wednesday 2 February 2022; 16:01)

Re: Underated? (99,600) (99,605) by Bill from the UK Vanishing was written with Ben Margulies. So far, the only self-penned song of Mariah's is the Vulnerability interlude on Rainbow. (Wednesday 2 February 2022; 14:52)

Re: Nick Cannon (99,603) (99,604) by Littal from USA Maybe if he was an uncle to those kids. He will fall short as a father - you can't be present to so many similar aged children in different house holds. Yes it's pathological - somewhere between mania and narcissism. How grandiose must you be to do this. It's about him not about any of the kids. (Wednesday 2 February 2022; 13:47)

Re: Nick Cannon (99,601) (99,603) by Bobby A from United States His 65th birthday party is going to be a huge family reunion with all of his grown kids and grandchildren. I wish that he would take some time and record a new album. His last album was a great party CD. (Wednesday 2 February 2022; 12:18)

Re: Mariah and Celine (99,578) (99,602) by enwar00 from usa Not no casket in front of her. Holy moly that made me laugh. Followed by no presence of a diva requiring movement to the background. (Wednesday 2 February 2022; 09:02)

Nick Cannon (99,601) by Brad from USA I feel for Mariah. His course of conduct is very troubling and indicative of a pathology. It creates an aura of uncertainty for her and her children that must be incredibly stressful and disconcerting. May God’s strength be with her and her children. Nick Cannon is a psychopath. 'Nuff said. (Wednesday 2 February 2022; 01:58)

Re: Underated? (99,599) (99,600) by T from USA I think the reason she was never heavily advertised as a songwriter was because she wrote in collaboration with others on pretty much every song. Only [Vanishing] comes to mind for completely self penned. I think there's two kinds of song writers. The Carole King, Stevie Wonder, Alanis Moresette type who write all of their own songs in their entirety. And the other kind is Mariah, Janet, Madonna, Justin Timberlake, who write all their songs but only certain lyrics or lines in each song. (Wednesday 2 February 2022; 01:33)

Re: Underated? (99,595) (99,599) by Matty from Vancouver Canada That's very true about the one dimensional approach by Celine. To think the same women could give us Right to Dream, Shake it Off, and Hero for example. That's kind of why I'm surprised MC doesn't write more for other artists since she came plug into such a variety of genres. I wonder why Mariah's songwriting wasn't highlighted as her biggest differentiator from the very start (against Celine or Whitney). Her voice always was pushed center stage (again with the Whitney comparisons). This was in the era that female singer-songwriters were getting so much credit and exposure (ie: Jewel, Sarah Mclachlan; Annie Lennox etc. Lilith Fair festival was massive). Some people to this day are still surprised she writes her own material, and it's only been in the last 10 years or so she's being introduced as a singer songwriter. It took them long enough to get her in the Songwriters Hall of Fame imo. (Wednesday 2 February 2022; 00:23)

Re: Mariah and Celine (99,593) (99,598) by Randy from USA Terna, you know I love you like tea time in July. But seriously half of those are backing track assisted. Ima kill this topic before the webmaster does but frfr I wish you and I could spend a day together dissecting YouTube performances. And yes there are a few performances that she killed pre Butterfly but after 97 it was more often than not she either lipped or had an excuse. I do live for that impromptu for the fans Jimmy Fallon though. Have a great day. (Tuesday 1 February 2022; 20:04)

Re: Mariah and Celine (99,593) (99,597) by Bill from the UK I don't wish to rain on your parade but literally all those performances you listed were either pre-recorded or dubbed. The only full, genuine end to end live performances happened from debut through to Merry Christmas. All the home concert videos were dubbed and touched up in the studios, and from Daydream onwards performances started to incorporate lip syncing and pre-recorded vocals. Sorry. (Tuesday 1 February 2022; 20:04)

Re: Mariah and Celine (99,588) (99,596) by Bill from the UK You're right. Puff said as well that she recorded 50 takes of Honey so he could select the best parts for the track, and many others have said that is a "perfectionist" in the studio, which is probably a polite way of saying she's a control freak lol. (Tuesday 1 February 2022; 16:08)

Re: Underated? (99,592) (99,595) by Bill from the UK Yes I agree on the one dimensional aspect. It's probably due to Celine approaching most of her songs in the same manner. Mariah always varies her vocal approach, as well as the song itself. My Saving Grace, a gospel tinged song with great uplifting vocals, followed on from Clown, a low, slow R&B diss track. You wouldn't get that versatility on many other singers' albums. (Tuesday 1 February 2022; 16:07)

Re: New era excitement and anticipation (99,591) (99,594) by Bobby A from United States I just feel like MC has heard all of us and she is going to deliver this year on wax. However, I feel that she will never be able replicate the recording during a live performance without lip syncing and a backing track. She has lost her stage presence and the vocals needed to deliver a great vocal performance. (Tuesday 1 February 2022; 16:05)

Re: Mariah and Celine (99,588) (99,593) by Terna from Nigeria Celine [sounds] just like the record but Mariah sounds better (all caps) than the record, a [feat] she's repeated countless times. What we're not gonna do is pretend Mariah can't sing a song in one take ala a live performance setting, [because] old girl is a beast in her own right. You've been listening to those "friends" of yours too long. 1. Hero (Proctor's theater 1993) 2. Emotions (MTV Unplugged 1992, cleaner sharper high notes) 3. You're Mine (BET Honors Awards 2014) 4. Fly Like a Bird (Grammy Awards 2006) 5. Through The Rain (Shinning through the rain MTV) 6. We Belong Together (MTV Movie Awards 2005, The tonight show David Letterman) 7. The Distance (Jimmy Fallon show 2018) 8. I'll Be Loving You Long Time (MTV awards Japan 2008, Teen Choice Awards) 9. Vision of Love (BET Blueprint) 2005 10. My Saving Grace (Oprah Winfrey Show 2003) 11. I Stay in Love (AMA 2008) 12. Can't Take That Away (Divas Live 2000 A tribute to Diana Ross) I'll stop here, there many more that can be added to the list. (Tuesday 1 February 2022; 15:48)

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