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Re: Never Forget You (99,369) (99,373) by RibbonB from USA Edward , it's only the fourth day of the year lol. And Walter's post Mimi records are trash. He's not her savior, he just happened to be there at the apex of her career. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 22:46)

Re: Never Forget You (99,370) (99,372) by Bill from the UK "Oh, OK. I'm sorry." Apology accepted. "I forgot this music industry is all about women and how they are treated respectfully and honored." Exactly. Mariah is one of the most highly awarded artists out there. As are Beyonce, Whitney, Adele, Celine, Alicia etc. Pioneering women in the industry such as Aretha, Carole King, Tina Turner etc. have had shows dedicated to them and Broadway shows written about their careers. Sometimes people look for problems that simply aren't there. "How they can dress the way they want, how they can age the way they want and how they can eat the way they want. I guess I really didn't hear myself." That's understandable. After all, nobody has told Mariah what to wear since 1997. People are allowed to state whether her outfits look good or not, as they do with anybody. Mariah has looked flawless, elegant, and incredible on countless occasions. She has also, every so often, chosen outfits that do not do her justice. The leotard phase during the Nightmare Era is a good example of that, or when she chose to wear lingerie in public. "This things never happened. Imagine someone coming on the board and saying Mariah can't talk on interviews or how Mariah's dresses are making her fat and the urgency we have for a man to take control over her. Imagine that. We should all petition for Mariah's conservatorship to begin since she can't handle shit. Walter and Tommy should be her conservators." This is a really stupid statement and I think even you know that. Mariah's most successful points in her career was when she was guided and managed by men. That's a fact and there's nothing you or I can do about that. Her management under Stella was awful. Would you rather Stella over LA Reid simply because she's a woman? Come on now. Tommy and LA were businessmen who treated the industry as such. Mariah is a creative who is best left to oversee and manage the creative element of her career. What is wrong with that? It has clearly worked in the past. If an equally competent female manager was to appear on the scene I'd be as delighted as the next person. Mariah has said she's working with a man she's worked with in the past so she is clearly happy and comfortable about that. Why you and Nikki have turned this into a witch hunt against Walter Afanasieff is beyond me. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 21:12)

Re: Never Forget You (99,369) (99,371) by Bobby A from United States Stop it Edward. Lmao. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 21:03)

Re: Never Forget You (99,368) (99,370) by Carlos from Brazil Oh, OK. I'm sorry. I forgot this music industry is all about women and how they are treated respectfully and honored. How they can dress the way they want, how they can age the way they want and how they can eat the way they want. I guess I really didn't hear myself. This things never happened. Imagine someone coming on the board and saying Mariah can't talk on interviews or how Mariah's dresses are making her fat and the urgency we have for a man to take control over her! Imagine that! We should all petition for Mariah's conservatorship to begin since she can't handle shit. Walter and Tommy should be her conservators. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 17:44)

Re: Never Forget You (99,368) (99,369) by Edward from USA Nikki keeps putting on new wigs, and you keep snatching them off, including her weaves. We all know by now Nikki tend to farts "facts" out of her behind. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 17:25)

Re: Never Forget You (99,366) (99,368) by Bill from the UK "Mariah is always treated here like an incapable person and her talent are always diminished because she is a woman. She is always in need of a man to 'keep her in track' or to get a hit. Even suggesting Tommy to come back." I've never seen anyone do that. I think l, as fans, we all recognise Mariah's talent as a singer and a songwriter. But to completely attempt to erase one of her key collaborators from the past simply because you don't like him is immature. Most of Nikki's posts are made up, speculative rants with no sources, truth or integrity behind them and someone needs to bring everything back down to earth sometimes. No one here has ever diminished Mariah, and certainly if people have criticised her, it wouldn't be just because she is a woman. Honestly, can you hear yourself? (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 16:24)

Re: Never Forget You (99,365) (99,367) by Bill from the UK "If you'll recall - the public doesn't buy anymore." Tell that to Adele lol. "Mariah was 'asked to choose'? Seriously? She didn't approve of Ben's removal and had no association with Walter prior to Tommy setting him up with her according to Walter." Not true. If you read the memoir, Mariah goes into detail about how her writing partnership with Margulies ended, and it was because of the contract he had made her sign which he refused to be bought out of. Mariah then had to find another collaborator from the debut line up. She indicated in later years that she did not work well with Narada Michael Walden, and also felt Ric Wake and Rhett Lawrence overproduced the songs, and that the demos were better, so opted to work with Walter for the Emotions album, and C&C Music Factory were suggested by the record company for the other half of the album. "Do we also recall that Mariah primarily did the songwriting? Or the fact she wrote several songs solo, but Walter automatically got a writer's credit? Or was he sleeping with Mariah and Tommy when she wrote Looking In? What of the fact Mariah states in her book that Walter only helped write the bridge of AIWFCIY?" I don't know what this has to do with anything. I didn't state Walter wrote more or less of the songs in my post. I don't think your statement is true about Mariah writing songs solo, can you provide your source for that? To my knowledge the only solo Mariah composition is the Vulnerability interlude on Rainbow. Mariah cannot play an instrument competently enough to be able to write solo, and she has stated this several times. Part of AIWFCIY's appeal is the music programming, for which Walter was entirely responsible. "The songs Mariah likes has little to do with Walter." Um, he co-wrote all of them with her. "How many gospel tracks has Walter done since MC? You'll also notice how most of the songs you listed weren't singles and only a few hits with Walter were successful. Remind me, how many years of success did Walter have after Mariah left?" Walter's post-Mariah accomplishments have been listed on this website many times, and his Wikipedia page tells you that he is an incredibly successful songwriter and producer to this day. Successful hits that had Walter's involvement: Love Takes Time, Can't Let Go, I'll Be There, Dreamlover, Hero, Without You, Anytime You Need a Friend, Endless Love, All I Want for Christmas Is You, One Sweet Day, Open Arms, Butterfly, My All. That is pretty much a list of Mariah's signature tunes, minus We Belong Together. "After all, if people on YouTube don't represent today's public, than Walter's numbers should reflect how much the public truly loves his work, right?" I think Walter has a bit more clout in the industry than a reactor on YouTube. Happy New Year. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 16:18)

Re: Never Forget You (99,365) (99,366) by Carlos from Brazil Good words Nikki. Mariah is always treated here like an incapable person and her talent are always diminished because she is a woman. She is always in need of a man to "keep her in track" or to get a hit. Even suggesting Tommy to come back. This is pure misogyny. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 11:58)

Re: Never Forget You (99,320) (99,365) by Nikki from usa If you'll recall - the public doesn't buy anymore. Mariah was "asked to choose"? Seriously? She didn't approve of Ben's removal and had no association with Walter prior to Tommy setting him up with her according to Walter. Do we also recall that Mariah primarily did the songwriting? Or the fact she wrote several songs solo, but Walter automatically got a writer's credit? Or was he sleeping with Mariah and Tommy when she wrote Looking In? What of the fact Mariah states in her book that Walter only helped write the bridge of AIWFCIY? The songs Mariah likes has little to do with Walter. How many gospel tracks has Walter done since MC? You'll also notice how most of the songs you listed weren't singles and only a few hits with Walter were successful. Remind me, how many years of success did Walter have after Mariah left? After all, if people on YouTube don't represent today's public, than Walter's numbers should reflect how much the public truly loves his work, right? (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 07:38)

Re: Vogue - top 17 looks (99,325) (99,364) by Nikki from usa Obviously, I don't know if you're a boy or a girl. I will say ta tas have a much different look peering down than in a mirror. Sometimes you look down and it seems like a little cleavage, but you see it head on and it tons more from the frontal view. You'd think everyone would see in front of a mirror before leaving, but that's not always the case. MC has a problem with clothes not arriving on time and then having to haul ass. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 07:17)

Re: MC and Janet song? (99,361) (99,363) by T from USA It's fake. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 02:46)

Re: Vinyls (99,359) (99,362) by Matty from Vancouver Canada I was super impressed with the presentation of The Rarities Vinyls package as well. My MOAIA is that awesome boxset, and The Rarities lived up to that standard (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 01:14)

MC and Janet song? (99,361) by Bobby A from United States This was found out on the internet today. Did anybody know that MC and Janet wrote a song together with Henry Humes called If I Could Count The Stars? (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 00:50)

Re: Vinyls (99,359) (99,360) by Bobby A from United States The Rarities on vinyl is actual a rarity itself now. Lol. The prices on eBay and Amazon are outrageous. I am glad that all who purchased a copy in 2020 including myself got one at a reasonable price. The 12's are going for an outrageous price too on eBay. I need to go onto Fye's Mix and Burn website and order all of the Memoirs, MIAM, and Caution remixes on a mix and burn CD. I don't know why I haven't done it yet. We are all waiting on some more goodies from her store. (Monday 3 January 2022; 20:57)

Re: Vinyls (99,356) (99,359) by Bill from the UK Yes I must say The Rarities vinyl is probably the best one. I love the presentation of the whole thing. I also have that promo box set called 12's that was released in 1998. At the time, MC said that #1's was going to be the hits on 1 disc and a 2nd disc of remixes. I wonder if 12's is what the 2nd CD would have consisted of? Either way, we eventually got The Remixes and then all the MC30 EPs so we got remixed out. Even though, for those of you that remember my little remix series I was running at the time, several did not make it onto the EPs. #JusticeForTheReggaeSoulMixesofABMB (Monday 3 January 2022; 16:45)

Parody: Mariah talks to Beyoncé on vs Battle (99,358) by 123 from USA This is hilarious. (Monday 3 January 2022; 05:31)

Re: Vinyls (99,353) (99,357) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands Bill, I have Glitter on vinyl. If you want it, send me an e-mail: info@mcarchives.com. (Sunday 2 January 2022; 23:39)

Re: Vinyls (99,349) (99,356) by Matty from Vancouver Canada I feel so lucky to have Glitter for all the original artwork for sure. The shop I found it in, the man who owns the shop said they only pressed 2000-2500 Glitter vinyls. The arrangement of the songs is amazing as well. All the dance jams are on one vinyl and all the ballads on a other one. It's perfect for parties because you don't loose party momentum by a ballad coming on. Oh I have the Rarities on vinyl as well; I forgot that. Also, super glad to know #1s is on vinyl. I have Whitney's My Lobe is your Love vinyl, so I've got When You Believe, but it cost $350. I'd Love to hear Whenever You Call on wax. (Sunday 2 January 2022; 21:47)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey's annual Christmas cash in ends (99,350) (99,355) by Anonymous from USA I can think of another word for the person who wrote that, but I'd rather not say. Happy New Year to everyone. Wishing much success to MC in 2022. She needs to shut up the haters with a killer album, we know she's got it in her with her pen game and unique voice. (Sunday 2 January 2022; 21:36)

Re: Mariah surprises fans (99,343) (99,354) by 123 from USA @Will. Thank you. At least someone else agrees. I say remix and revamp as many of your old songs as you want. It's not like we are getting new albums every other year. I want more music. Preferably new music but I'm good with waiting as timing is everything. And let's say the remix's come out horrible. They are going to come and go with a blink of an eye. The album versions are still accessible for all to enjoy. The remixes might be part of the masterclass she is doing this year that focuses on writing and producing. (Sunday 2 January 2022; 18:36)

Re: Vinyls (99,345) (99,353) by Bill from the UK Hi Matty. I have all the original vinyl releases (debut through to joining Def Jam) except Glitter and #1's. You're right, Glitter is super rare and I was really disappointed it wasn't re-issued for the 20th anniversary. I then got the re-releases when they came out for MC30 as the vinyl quality is much better. I avoided the colour versions as black vinyl both wears better, lasts longer, and sounds better. I was pleased they were all faithfully replicated from the originals, except that the original Butterfly vinyl release opened with the Bad Boy Mix of Honey, not the original. In terms of singles, I have pretty much everything from the debut through to Rainbow, except Without You 12", which very rarely appears and when it does, is in awful condition and far too expensive. It's not as if "I can't live, if living is without the 12 inch vinyl release of Without You", so that gap in my collection doesn't annoy me too much. Bobby A was kind enough to get me the bottle green version of the debut when it was released. A beautiful item that I got purely because it looks so attractive. Like Mariah. (Sunday 2 January 2022; 17:10)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey's annual Christmas cash in ends (99,350) (99,352) by Nicole from US He is such a hater. But I did remember back in the day he wasn't like this. He's such an ageist when he himself is like 100 plus years of age. Is Mariah the only one he writes like this? (Sunday 2 January 2022; 16:59)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey's annual Christmas cash in ends (99,350) (99,351) by MusicfanJ from Germany The person who wrote the article may be a little Grinch but he's not wrong. As much as I love MC's Christmas songs, it's time for something new. A Jazz album. Happy New Year everyone. Stay save and sound. (Sunday 2 January 2022; 14:03)

Article: Mariah Carey's annual Christmas cash in ends (99,350) by Chicago Lamb from USA This guy sounds like a grinch, no? (Sunday 2 January 2022; 13:45)

Re: Vinyls (99,345) (99,349) by Bobby A from United States I read again that you have Glitter on vinyl with all the original artwork. You have something very rare in your hands, Matty. I lost a bid on one eBay copy to the highest bidder for $400. (Sunday 2 January 2022; 12:54)

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